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diffbeer



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Second row seats aftermarket replacement.
I am really fed up with the Defender passenger seats on my XS not being able to recline.
Even a 15 degree recline would have helped when my kids are strapped in. Problem is they fall asleep and their heads everywhere ,I have used a number of different child seats to see if one gives a better result ,but without the recline there is no solution.

I am ready to chuck out my leather xs back seats as the idea of a family tourer vehicle is not to have kids in absolute discomfort in the back on long yourney.
Landrover lacks imagination.

Does anyone have experience with aftermarket second row seats in a PUMA TDCi ? Any suggestions ?
Post #6808 3rd Feb 2009 1:08pm
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diffbeer



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Perhaps I could modify the existing mechanism and file in a extra slot that would allow a recline and manually set the seat when a recline is needed with a bolt ( or split pin?) through the metal to retain it??
Post #6809 3rd Feb 2009 1:23pm
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110SEB



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Let me know how you get on Diffbeer. It's true the nippers' heads do roll around all over the place when they're asleep.

Even if there was just one notch back it would sort the problem.

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Grockle



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Take care when messing with the seat mechanism as the back rest could possably fold fowards or backwards in an accident (god forbid) 2.4 90 XS
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Post #6812 3rd Feb 2009 2:13pm
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110SEB



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Yes i'd be very weary of tinkering with the standard seats too, but if there was an alternative, it would be good.
Post #6813 3rd Feb 2009 2:31pm
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alantd



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Grockle wrote:
Take care when messing with the seat mechanism as the back rest could possably fold fowards or backwards in an accident (god forbid)


I wouldn't worry too much about them folding forward - there is very little structural support in the seats anyway - it all comes through the seat belt.
Post #6817 3rd Feb 2009 3:54pm
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mse



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alantd wrote:
Grockle wrote:
Take care when messing with the seat mechanism as the back rest could possably fold fowards or backwards in an accident (god forbid)


I wouldn't worry too much about them folding forward - there is very little structural support in the seats anyway - it all comes through the seat belt.


I disagree.

Folding forward or backwards - or any failure, the seatbelt only holds you in the seat.

Any incident, any injury (heaven forbid death) and you will be so far in prison so quickly its not worth it. Mike
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alantd



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Sorry - to be clear: I don't advocate messing with the seat mechanism. The Puma seats are much better than they've ever been before - and much safer too. The last thing you want is the seat collapsing on you - mostly because you'll slip out out the seat belt.

In a head-on collision, your seat, however, won't provide much support. If the seat remains fixed, you'll depart from it and be 'gathered' by the seat belt as it tensions. You'll then recoil into the seat cushion. If the seat is free to fold forwards the it'll travel forwards into the belt as well and you'll have the additional pressure of the seat decelerating on your back (not good, of course).

The seats on my old Renault 4 used to just lift out. Not ideal, I admit.
Post #6827 3rd Feb 2009 6:37pm
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diffbeer



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Had a good look at the mechanism and the seat -- the upper part of the seat belt attachment is located almost in a straight line to the top of the back seat.

Its fair to say that this seat is really only safe in a completely upright position or for a large adult in the normal position.
As for a child n a booster seat in the normal position - I think it is unsafe , as the seatbelt does not exert enough tension .
The seatbelt setup barely allows enough tension to really fixate a child seat.

It would be unsafe in a reclined position unless the seat belts upper attachment is moved backwards to a internal hoop on a roll cage perhaps.
Confused
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diffbeer



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Post #10342 29th Apr 2009 5:00pm
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Eduardo



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Same problem here...

My two little girls have a big problem when they fall asleep.
If you find a good (safe) solution will be great!

I remember my Ford Windstar were the 2nd and 3rd row seats were reclinable avoiding this problem. Sad Sad Eduardo

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1ten.neuss



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a little better by turning the head cushion
Hi,

I have recognized that by turning the head-cushion 180�, so that they are facing backward, the child seat of my 6 year old daughter has more space on the top to follow the curves of the seat. It's not MUCH better but a LITTLE.

Regards from Germany,
Bernd
Post #10678 11th May 2009 7:10pm
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