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big110



Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
Location: Sweeden
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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
How do you like your allisport non cat exhaust?
It’s getting time to replace on the 2014 so thinking full system with no cat from allisport. Always been happy with their products.

Any feedback? Sound good without the cat?
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Harry.O



Member Since: 25 Jul 2014
Location: Warwickshire
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United Kingdom 1989 Defender 90 300 Tdi ST Nato Green
Allisport don't actually make their exhuasts, they are made by Demand Engineering. https://demandengineering.co.uk/ I have the TD5 version on my 110 and the welding is a work of art, if I was in the market for another I'd be going straight back.

I bought mine direct from Dan at Demand, they were a pleasure to deal with and were happy to make changes or bespoke options as required. Thumbs Up 2005 Td5 110 Hardtop
1989 300Tdi 90 Soft top
1992 200Tdi 90 Truck cab with Land Cruiser axles
Post #943639 24th Feb 2022 10:13am
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Forgive me for asking, but you do know that on a 2.2 you will also have to delete the DPF, which requires the ECU to be reprogrammed?

I don't know about the regulatory situation in Sweden but suspect that removing the Cat and DPF would be frowned upon if you are found to have done it.
Post #943644 24th Feb 2022 11:05am
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freddie206



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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 110 Td5 HT Belize Green
I also bought an exhaust from Dan at Demand for a 110 Td5 and it makes a sweet sweet sound. Not noticeably louder on idle either just when you plant your foot. Superb company to deal with. I needed one ASAP and Dan made one up the same day and shipped it. Highly recommend.
Post #943646 24th Feb 2022 12:24pm
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Leamreject



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Italy 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Fuji White
Apparently they make the TD5 that already sounds good even better Whistle Ride like you stole it!!
If I’m not on a bike it’s because only a 4x4 will do…
2011 2.4 Puma 90 HT
Post #943662 24th Feb 2022 1:40pm
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landy andy



Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
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2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver
Demand Td5 dummy cat on mine. Whistle Whistle
Post #943665 24th Feb 2022 1:56pm
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big110



Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
blackwolf wrote:
Forgive me for asking, but you do know that on a 2.2 you will also have to delete the DPF, which requires the ECU to be reprogrammed?

I don't know about the regulatory situation in Sweden but suspect that removing the Cat and DPF would be frowned upon if you are found to have done it.


I really appreciate this. I had no idea about this. Can you explain more?
Post #943680 24th Feb 2022 5:26pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The 2.4 Puma has a catalytic converter but no particulate filter, and it is easy and inconsequential (though now illegal in the EU) to remove the cat. Just fit a plain pipe and you are done.

The 2.2 Puma has a unit combining the cat with a DPF, and the DPF is under software control which also regulates the engine behaviour when DPF regeneration is taking place. If you disconnect the DPF from the ECM or remove the DPF, the ECM will detect the the DPF malfunction and will illuminate warning lights. I don't know what the effect on the running of the vehicle would be in this case (I don't own a 2.2) but it is highly unlikely that the vehicle will continue to function properly. For this reason, removing the cat and DPF (you can't just remove the cat since it is a combined unit) requires that the ECM software is also modified so that the engine operates correctly without the DPF. There are places which can do this, but clearly there is an expense involved.

It is also illegal (certainly in the UK, and I think anywhere in Europe) to modify factory-fitted emissions equipment or to operate a diesel which has had the DPF or cat removed or disabled. I don't know what the consequences are in Sweden, but in the UK they are not insignificant.
Post #943682 24th Feb 2022 5:46pm
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doncarloz



Member Since: 29 Oct 2017
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Austria 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Stornoway Grey
In the 2.2 tdci Defender variants both Catalytic converter and diesel particulate filter are combined in one piece. If you decat your Defender, you also loose the DPF. This is beneficial for fuel economy and engine longevity but baaad for the environment and might affect your MOT test results. ___________________________________
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2017 RRS 3.0 TDV6
Post #943683 24th Feb 2022 5:52pm
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bankz5152



Member Since: 02 Feb 2017
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2004 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Epsom Green
Harry.O wrote:
Allisport don't actually make their exhuasts, they are made by Demand Engineering. https://demandengineering.co.uk/ I have the TD5 version on my 110 and the welding is a work of art, if I was in the market for another I'd be going straight back.

I bought mine direct from Dan at Demand, they were a pleasure to deal with and were happy to make changes or bespoke options as required. Thumbs Up


They where.... Not anymore Allisport uses a local company.

I have a Demand 3" valved and side exit on my 110. Quality is excellent and Dan is great to deal with. Instagram @defender_ventures
Empire Tuning - Agent
Post #943751 25th Feb 2022 7:55am
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big110



Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
How difficult (and where does one go) to do the ECU changes? Since it’s a farm truck I don’t do any inspection so not worried about that bit but if it’s a pain in the arss to do maybe not worth while
Post #943844 25th Feb 2022 10:03pm
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doncarloz



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Austria 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Stornoway Grey
A remap is pretty simple and can be done via mobile phone (OBD2). Speak to Pete Bell @ Bell Auto Services ___________________________________
1993 D1 200 Tdi
2015 110 DCPU 2.2 Tdci
2017 RRS 3.0 TDV6
Post #943865 26th Feb 2022 9:48am
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Leamreject



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Italy 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Fuji White
I did mine by mobile phone…

called Town & Country Land Rover and bingo all sorted Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Ride like you stole it!!
If I’m not on a bike it’s because only a 4x4 will do…
2011 2.4 Puma 90 HT
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