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Slideywindows

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
Posts: 1283

They think they've thought of something new and radical.

I was a student once - and they haven't.

Yawn.

Ignore them, they'll grow up.

Eventually.

15th Oct 2018 8:54pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8578

Call me cynical if you like but is there some ulterior personal motive here?

Student puts forward their 'motions' with the hope their name will get notice so that they get elected to a union post (paid) on the way to a trade union/mp researchers post. Then on to standing for a 'job' as a MP. Want an example of that? Try looking at Jack Straw and find out how many years working in a 'normal' 9-5/shift work he has done.

How about the student motion on 'jazz hands' to include autistic students whilst excluding poorly sighted/blind students.

Brendan

15th Oct 2018 9:35pm

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
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blackwolf wrote:
To keep this in perspective, bear in mind that the orchestrator is a "student activist". In general such people are publicity-seeking narcissists with a hugely over-inflated sense of their own worth, far too little work to do, no real-world cares or problems, and with irrational left-wing affiliations. Bear in mind also that this is Cambridge University (not Oxford as noted above, by the way) which has a long and established track record of housing students who are even further into the fringe of society than most other universities.

It may be that this particular person does not fit the stereotype above (although her photo suggests that she fits it to a tee) but in reality I think that her views are (a) unrepresentative of ever her small and insignificant part of society, let alone society at large, and (b) probably intended to be controversial and generate publicity. Her argument (the remembrance glamorises war) is so obviously flawed that I find it hard to believe even she thinks it had credibility. Ideally she would simply have been ignored and treated with the contempt that such as she deserve.

Time was when students studied, and enjoyed to privilege of being able to do so. Now they - or at least some, hopefully a minority - seem to view it as a sort of alternative lifestyle which they are owed by society and which obviates the need ever to do any real work (and for which they have politicians are role models).

Oxford University loony leftie students are no better - look at the profoundly ignorant Rhodes fiasco of recent years.

WELL SAID, my friend.
We have the same situation in Aussie, from the "Leftie Loonies", who forget, or perhaps never knew because they never bothered to think about it, that many of these soldiers were volunteers, who didn't have to go, but they did, and millions of them gave their lives,...and what a short life some of them had. The "Loonies" fail to realize, that had these men not fought, we might not be here today. Their attitude is disgusting, disgraceful, and disrespectful,.....and STUPID.
Pickles.

15th Oct 2018 10:04pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19560

Blackwolf is speaking the voice of reason here in my book.
If we all take note from the past, treat one another fairly and with courtesy and respect maybe, just maybe, we can live in a better world.
My grandfather was in WW2 in Italy, Egypt and North Africa in the Royal Engineers.
His life was saved by diving into a haystack when a German aircraft was firing in the area, as close as that.
Should that not have happened two generations on would not have lived including myself and many had their lives cut short far before their time.

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15th Oct 2018 10:30pm

Chopperone

Member Since: 13 Nov 2016
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 396

For anyone who is not sure what Rememberance Day ( or anytime for that matter) needs to go to the National Arboretum & stand & look at The Shot at Dawn memorial.
It stands on the East side of the NA & the dawn light first shows on this memorial.
Unfortunately you can’t be there when dawn takes place as the NA is closed at that time.
I wish they would put a webcam there OR the BBC put a camera there on the 100th anniversary.
Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful.

16th Oct 2018 7:51am

ken

Member Since: 18 Aug 2009
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Posts: 4328

I Trust we all will respect the minutes silence and this incudes online posting

16th Oct 2018 9:16am

OsloBlue

Member Since: 14 Jul 2018
Location: Essex
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Speaking of students passed ARU today which is a relatively less Left wing uni and saw a chap probably in his 60s wearing one of those wearable signposts. it said "Asylum seekers are prisoners".

To a certain extent i don't think its students at fault, i feel its the lecturers who are academics who question stuff that can only be interpreted as opinion or only half truth, which they drip feed down into there students.

Just look at how the prevalence of gender studies (which won't get you a job anyway) has reinforced the opinion of the wage gap and the lack of women in STEM (it exists broadly but not narrowly), its the professors at fault, if it weren't available as a subject then there would be more women taking up STEM fields and taking high paid jobs because of it!

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16th Oct 2018 10:13am

Grenadier

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Ill be observing as I always do. So will those who matter most to me. We may not understand the reasoning, but as pointed out already, they do have a right to think this way, given to them by the fallen in battles past. That they cannot see the irony in their thinking and posturing is their problem. They become the weaker for it. But I believe they remain in the minority and it is SM that gives them a voice many times more powerful than their own, but in the main, after the initial incredulity on the part of the reader, I think their rhetoric falls on deaf ears. If I'm not mixing my metaphors. We'll remember, that's what matters.

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16th Oct 2018 2:34pm

LandRoverAnorak

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As a counterpoint to the OP, how about this from the BBC, particularly the last part:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-45879775 Darren

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16th Oct 2018 8:19pm

Chopperone

Member Since: 13 Nov 2016
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 396

They shall not grow old

Anyone else go to see it tonight?
There was a technical delay of about 15 mins or more.
What a superb film.
Sort the man & his team out with an Oscar or two and a knighthood.
Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful.

17th Oct 2018 12:33am

andydef90

Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 617

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I find it hard to see why they cannot give a minuet of there time or any one else our service men and women still pay the ultimate price

18th Oct 2018 11:49am

mick

Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Yorkshire
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Siwynne wrote:
They need a war graves trip. That’ll fix em.

How can seeing memorials with names on fail to engage and move them. This is the newest near to me. HMS ringtail at Burscough.

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I think everyone should do a war graves trip and a visit to the 360 deg D Day museum at Arromanches

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18th Oct 2018 7:31pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8578

Personally I think of Remembrance Sunday as remembering all dead and injured due to the war. The German squaddies fighting in WW1 thought they were doing their duty towards their country.

Waking around various war cemeteries what impresses/humbles me is not only how well they are kept but looking at the engravings on the headstones.

Yes many graves are identified by name, rank and regiment.

Others are marked 'here lies the remains of a/2/3/4/5 soldiers know only unto god. That is extremely humbling.

A look at the Menin Gate and various other war monuments has about 100,000 names of soldiers on the Allies side without a known grave. Not just British squaddies, but Indian, Aussie, NZ etc. I wonder how many Germans and their allies are lying in unmarked graves?

So yes we should remember the dead and injured from various conflicts around the war and hope/wish/pray we never see such wars again.

Yes Barbara and I will remember.

Brendan

18th Oct 2018 9:50pm

andydef90

Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 617

I know to some they will think I am sad when I go to my parents grave every two weeks I leave a flower on a grave where I park my Landy he was a squaddie who died when he was 30 its not had any other flowers on for a long time

19th Oct 2018 11:11am

Adam17

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Bloody outrageous & ridiculous!! if they don't like it that's tuff! too many fairies here now... Regards
Adam

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19th Oct 2018 12:29pm

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