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| Phoenix90 Member Since: 04 Mar 2012 Location: Cornwall Posts: 377   
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Hi Dean,
Why do you want one? Most of the guys here that have Webastos fitted are visiting areas where extreme temperatures are a risk. But my experience is that even at temps as low as -20 you don't necessarily need a pre-heater. Plenty of guys in scandinavia run around without pre-heaters in the winter. The Kenlowes seem to be priced at around £300 from a quick google search, you can get all the parts for a webasto install secondhand from the bay from a similar amount, my most recent install cost about £350, but this included a webasto timer (£70) which could be replaced by a simple switch if you buy the right heater. Not only is the Kenlowe limited by the fact it needs power but also can't be used as an auxiliary heater when driving. As for hose, I would have thought go for the same one that webastos are plumbed into which is the feed to the cabin heater valve. Details in The Webasto Thread. |
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22nd Jan 2013 8:31pm |
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| jasong4110 Member Since: 19 Oct 2009 Location: Henley On Thames Posts: 268 
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When I looked into 240v systems the general feedback from cold climates was that the DFRA kit was the best suited.
With the kit you get an air heater and a core plug heater. I was however persuaded by others that pointed out the diesel heater offered greater flexibly especially if you were parked in a car park with no power hook up. Jason. |
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22nd Jan 2013 8:33pm |
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| Dean Watson Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Derby Posts: 254 
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Its really just to get the truck up to temp quicker(and save on engine wear) on short trips,as said id love a webasto but im a bit put off by buying a secondhand unit and then having to fit it which doesnt seem exactly straight forward.
Just thought the Kenlowe for £250.00 might do the job and save some engine wear into the bargain? |
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22nd Jan 2013 8:34pm |
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| jasong4110 Member Since: 19 Oct 2009 Location: Henley On Thames Posts: 268
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The DEFA ones are about £200 for the air heater and core heater, you can also get a battery charge module with them. Jason. |
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22nd Jan 2013 8:41pm |
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| Phoenix90 Member Since: 04 Mar 2012 Location: Cornwall Posts: 377
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The seconda hand units are generally fine, and easy to service at home. The installation can be tricky but it's mainly just a case of taking time.
I just think the electronic ones are a bit of a pain. You have to have power laid out everywhere you'd like to use it regularly and I get the feeling after a while i'd stop using it. You also have to make sure the timer is set every time for at least 20 minutes in advance whereas with the fuel burning heaters if you haven't set the timer and you flick them on when you start the engine they help it to warm up really fast. I know a warm engine helps to reduce wear, but I really don't know if that is all that relevant in modern engines? I know I sound a bit anti the electric heaters but I jut figure they are so much less useful and not really worth the money... especially when compared to the fuel burning heaters. |
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22nd Jan 2013 9:25pm |
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| VeeTee Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1512 
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Instead of a core plug heater, I bought a heating element with pump, which is installed in te coolant hose. This heats up the engine more effective because of the pumping action. Cheers, Vincent
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22nd Jan 2013 9:46pm |
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| Martyn668 Member Since: 17 Mar 2013 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 134
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Hi VeeTee. That link worked yesterday, but doesn’t seem to be working today. Looked a good price - around £130, but I hadn’t got round to translating the page to see what it was! Sweden is probably the place to search for heaters though!
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19th Dec 2018 12:36am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6482 
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See also https://www.t7design.co.uk/products/heatin...-240v.html which have been discussed on here more recently
  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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19th Dec 2018 7:50am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765  
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Just looked at these kits. Can you rig them to a converter and supplementary battery? How much juice do they use during warm up? For those who've mentioned cabin heating, now mine's insulated (Silent Coat and HD foam), and being a smaller DC cabin, it gets roasty hot once the engine is warm, whatever the outside air temp.  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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19th Dec 2018 11:43am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6482
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2.2kW from a 12V battery is over 180 Amps....
Better to fit a diesel pre heater if you need to unplug  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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19th Dec 2018 12:34pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765
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Okaaaay
Not electrically minded, me!! Are the T7 kits any good Martin? Just looking at their site. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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19th Dec 2018 12:36pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6482
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Dad's got one on his 110 and it gets used every day during the winter (ski bus)
1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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19th Dec 2018 12:36pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765
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Ta. Due to be in the SW in Jan, will pop in to T7 for a chat.... Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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19th Dec 2018 12:46pm |
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