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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7873   
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It's funny these topics aren't talked about with these eco-friendly cars!
The Tesla battery needs replacing every 8 years or 100,000 miles (160,000 km), whichever comes first. The cost would be significant, then like you say how do you dispose of them, how green is the electricity generated, where do we get all the rare metals used in electric motors? I'm still not convinced on the 'green' credentials, they're just the least locally polluting option currently available. James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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10th Sep 2018 6:07pm |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3461  
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Why does a Tesla battery need replacing? That’s the warranty period not the time to replace it. Some taxi operators are on 250k on Leafs and no issues. 1951 80" S1 2.0
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10th Sep 2018 6:17pm |
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| Lodelaner Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lambourn Posts: 621 
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A car with a 3 year warranty doesn't need replacing at point of warranty expiry - so why should a battery?
Batteries prove to be very reliable, a number of manufacturers specify cell replacement during and post warranty - replacing the whole battery unit is unnecessary when its usually one cell that can fail. At age a battery will lose some of its ability to fully recharge, more of an issue on a full EV like a Tesla, all you would notice on a Hybrid is a marginally higher MPG. JB @Lodelaner Instagram Youtube greenlaning and other LR related content |
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10th Sep 2018 6:27pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995 
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Toyota Prius have proved to have excellent battery life, even in heavy use as mini cabs. Whether the batteries last as long as the engine remain to be seen, but it’s not a disaster yet. Has anybody heard of anyone having to replace the batteries in hybrid or electric car due to just wearing out?
Some of those early hybrid Lexus must have done big miles by now. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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10th Sep 2018 6:38pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995
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A quick look and there are quite a few petrol hybrids on Autotrader with high miles including an 09 Prius on 275000 miles. You’d be pleased on most cars if the engine and gearbox lasted that long, never mind the battery pack. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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10th Sep 2018 6:46pm |
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| Siwynne Member Since: 04 Nov 2016 Location: West lancs Posts: 558 
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My brother had a hybrid Lexus on an 11 plate I think. He was a national sales manger for a large soft drink co and did 40-60 thousand a year. He had two batteries before three years old under warranty. They just started to overheat and this would shut the car down.
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10th Sep 2018 6:46pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109 
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I don’t know much about electric cars as I think they are a waste of time. But a customer looked into buying a Lexus and was told the batteries belong to Lexus and are circa 10 K and last 8 years ish
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10th Sep 2018 6:50pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995
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I don’t understand that. On some electric cars the batteries were leased and remained the property of the manufacturer. I think this has mostly gone away now that confidence in the batteries has improved, plus it caused loads hassle and confusion for second hand market. Maybe some hybrids were sold like that? But if the batteries were leased, I would think the manufacturer would be liable should they fail, not the owner. I can well believe the replacement cost is £10k though if you did have to foot the bill. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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10th Sep 2018 6:58pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7873
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I just copied that off it's website
 James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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10th Sep 2018 8:01pm |
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| PumaPhil Member Since: 26 Oct 2014 Location: Bridgend Posts: 201  
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I had an '08 Defender that needed a new engine before it got to 70'000 miles. I think cost was about £4'500. (I sold it instead)
I can't believe that all Diesel engine'd vehicles need a new engine after only 70'000 miles at a cost of £4'500. And what about all that carcinogenic oil that has to be replaced every 12'000 miles, not to mention the filters too? Sorry, I'll cut the sarcasm. Yes there will be a few Tesla's, Leaf's hybrid Golf's etc that break down, need batteries sooner than others. As do all cars. I find electric cars, particularly Tesla, the only vehicles that are exciting anymore. 10 years ago you could buy a Diesel saloon that would do 60mpg and 0-60 in 10 secs. Now you can bu a Diesel saloon that will do 65mpg and 0-60 in 8 secs, but has Bluetooth. Progress? 10 years ago electric cars were a bit of a joke. Now they will do 100's of miles on a charge and (some of them) are the fastest cars on the road. I can't wait to see how they will develop over the next few years. |
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10th Sep 2018 8:17pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822 
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My ex had a hybrid yaris, nippy little thing, only had to top it up twice a year, the company pool car is exactly the same, but where it does stop start here in the city sometimes the engine will flick on just to reboot the battery.
Anyway with the ex's, yaris had a similar problem, the battery replaced would be the cost of the car as a whole (when counting for depreciation) and worth more than the money she was saving on tax, Parking (free spaces were pretty convenient) and fuel so we ended up shifting it and she ended up with the '325. That thing had some wierd arse servicing and MOT stuff, like every 8000miles or so you had to take it into the dealership to get the battery serviced and they would basically reset the battery. and they would give you (at the time) a 6 year warranty on the battery, (which is now 11 years having a look about the web) which at the time was only an additional year on the standard warranty. Now onto the Tesla, i was one of the first drivers of the MS in the uk thrown EVision Rentals doing a showcase about plug in EVs at a trade show, it was actually more to sell the infrastructure to use than the cars. Needless to say i was very impressed. And at the price i was paying for the 325 as the time i was genuinely considering one. And to some extent i still do, it made EV's (which i think are very important to the future) cool. Anyway what put me off was the fact that a few months later i saw a LiPo battery shipment catch fire, turns out that the fire brigade are lucky to carry electrical extinguishers yet alone proper equipment for a electrical car fire. More recently i toyed around with getting a second hand one when they were more affordable, but recalled to my mobile phone going through so many charge phases that it basically became a cordless. turns out there's a whole wikipedia article about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_elec..._incidents Besides Telsa have changed their marketing so that you can only buy them if you're serious about buying them, so you pay through the nose so they get the high demand out of the way, get the infrastructure in, lower the cost of the cars so that everyone can own them at an established retail of £27,000 which i totally agree with. regardless i really appreciate what Elon musk is trying to do for mankind, even if he is a Bond villain, I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html  |
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10th Sep 2018 8:19pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109
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https://www.openmotors.co/projects/aslan-ev-pickup-morocco/
7 hr charge to carry 800 kg load 100 km that will really take off  |
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10th Sep 2018 8:58pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995
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that really has no redeeming qualities, but to top it off what’s with massive rear overhang? It’d probably wheelie with two people sat on the tailgate. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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10th Sep 2018 9:01pm |
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| Tommo Member Since: 19 Dec 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 830 
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So my point is replacement costs seem very inflated even more than what the car may be worth and this is not really mentioned in many discussions surrounding EVs.
Secondly, what are the disposal concerns with old battery`s as I would have thought these would be environmentally significant in terms of impact. But as I asked...please enlighten me. |
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10th Sep 2018 9:11pm |
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