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lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2240

I might move to the dark side....

.....TDCi Defender

I drive a TD5 110

I never liked the TDCi as l felt it was not a “proper” Defender without the vent flaps and with the Transit engine etc.
I had driven a few and remained unconvinced. Also l had been told that the engine is “only good to 100,000”

But yesterday l drove a 130,000 mile regular TDCi 110 XS and l have to concede, it wasn’t bad. It was quieter and had a better ride quality than my TD5 110 CSW. The engine was lacking the TD5 character but on the motorway it was a fair bit better, quieter and able to cruise about 10mph faster than mine. That sixth gear sure is high! You’d need a remap to avoid down changing on hills.

The tax issue needs care, l’m not paying £510 so it would have to be either a Utility or a post 2012 if l was to buy one.
Currently the later ones are silly money (against the 2007 110 XS SW that l test drove at a more reasonable £17,995 from a dealer)

You need aircon due to the lack of the bulkhead vents. And the cabin feels less spacious due to the big plastic lump of a dashboard, but l am tempted to get one if l am ever in the market for another Defender.

2nd Sep 2018 7:39pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11240

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

You soon get used to it. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

2nd Sep 2018 7:55pm

bankz5152

Member Since: 02 Feb 2017
Location: South London/North Kent
Posts: 2069

Ive driven a few. Only thing they have going for them imo is they are quiet. Stick with the mighty TD5! Instagram @defender_ventures
Empire Tuning - Agent

2nd Sep 2018 8:10pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

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2nd Sep 2018 8:16pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19572

TD5 motor with the Puma gearbox would have been super. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧

2nd Sep 2018 8:17pm

OsloBlue

Member Since: 14 Jul 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 822

I briefly entertained getting a Puma box conversion kit, then i saw the price of the puma box itself.... I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html

2nd Sep 2018 8:55pm

Huttopia

Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 1968

I jumped in my 110tdci (2015) today after driving back from Devon in the 90 300tdi yesterday. What the tdci lacks in character / charm it makes up for in comfort and noise levels - you get used to it quite quickly. Someone (Slideywindows?) recently compared a Series 2a to a 90 as an everyday driver- the general consensus was you soon get used to the creature comforts (all relative) in the 90 and limit the 2a to short hops. That is how we will see the 200tdi, 300tdi and TD5 in time. Remap a tdci and I doubt many folk would go back to an earlier engine. The TD5 is still a great sounding engine though, just ‘right’!

2nd Sep 2018 9:06pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19572

The TD5 engine note is just. 👌🏻

The Puma isn't bad though with the right system in! The factory exhaust system especially the centre box is restrictive imo. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧

2nd Sep 2018 9:17pm

JOW240725

Member Since: 04 May 2015
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 7873

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

I love my remapped TDCi, I also like my 200Tdi, but if I had a long journey or in a hurry, I take the Puma every time.

James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html
MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641
MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557
Instagram @suffolk_rovers

2nd Sep 2018 9:26pm

roel

Member Since: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Lelystad
Posts: 2039

If I want comfort I take the D3 but I like driving the 90 more.

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1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001)
1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009)
2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts.
2003 90 Td5 (2009-now)

2nd Sep 2018 9:58pm

barbel jim

Member Since: 12 Dec 2012
Location: Northants
Posts: 1411

Sold my 2.2 and replaced it with .........

Another TD5

And I'm not the only one on the forum

2nd Sep 2018 10:05pm

NickMc

Member Since: 01 Oct 2014
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 1568

If you fit a Tdci box in Td5 are you also having to change the transfer box to the 1.22 from the 1.4?

2nd Sep 2018 10:09pm

tookaphotoof

Member Since: 18 Mar 2013
Location: dordrecht
Posts: 1279

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

Sold my 2.2 for a... V70... 5 series... and got a 2.2 back again. Love the car!

2nd Sep 2018 10:09pm

Maxxed_Ross

Member Since: 06 Jun 2012
Location: Bathgate / North Sea
Posts: 340

I've driven a few now and really don't like them

They need a remap before they are anywhere close to nice to drive. First gear is far too short and you end up juggling gears constantly

Plus it sounds like a Transit, so when visiting friends they never know if it's you or Parcel Force coming down the road

Also it's worth considering the dashboard design. I'm 6ft 3 and feel it encroaches into the cabin too much compared to the older designs 2013 Discovery 4 HSE Lux | 2001 Defender 90 TD5 | 2007 Prodrive RB320

2nd Sep 2018 11:06pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2240

Those were the two things l picked up on, but it’s easy to get good examples of the TDCi where the newest TD5 versions are now twelve years old.

3rd Sep 2018 8:08am

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