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need4speed



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Help Needed From DIY Experts/Tradesmen
Looking to fix a nice oak cabinet to wall of ensuite shower room.

I am aware i need to find the wooden studs in order to get good, secure fixings. Trouble is I’m not sure on best way to do this. I’ve heard about stud finders but the one I found in B&Q gets horrible write ups.

The wall in question is your average tile-over-plasterboard affair.

Any advice appreciated. 4.6 RV8 110HT
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I have had reasonable results with a good quality (i.e., not B&Q) stud finder, however if you have foil-backed plasterboard they don't work. The only other technique I know is to roughly locate the studs by tapping the wall, then drill a series of tiny holes to locate the edges of the studs and either fill them or make sure that they are behind whatever you're fitting.
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If you have access from above, i.e. attic is not boarded over you may well be able to locate them from above.


You may have more success trying to locate them from adjoining room, tapping, stud finder small drill etc.


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ken



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Just grip-fill it to the tiles what could possibly go wrong Whistle

Workout were you are fitting it Remove one tile , cut board put borescope though hole or flex cable router poke till it hits the stud do this N S E W you get the picture Thumbs Up
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I'm no expert, but from practice, I've used a stud finder, then drilled a tiny test hole to double check it is the stud. Once you find one the studs are normally on 16" centres. You can sometimes tap the wall with the handle of a screwdriver and listen for studs which sound more solid than the hollow plasterboard. Trial an error Thumbs Up James
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Is it a new build?
Center of studs 600mm, en-suite are there pipes and services above or below in the area you want to install the cabinet. The area you planned to install the unit drill in the grout line of the tiles and find you first stud, if it is a new build the bathroom/wet room areas will be fully ply boarded for future grab rails.
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If it's newbuild then the spreads should have put a Ply leaf infill between studs behind the boards to just in case you wanted to mount stuff in future.

Generally speaking if your walls are double boarded and stud it should be able to hold the weight of a cabinet, just remember to seal any holes with some waterproof mastic to prevent moisture getting behind your boards and warping your stud. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
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If its oak make sure you pilot drill every hole at least 2mm smaller than the screw. So if a 5mm screw use a 3mm - 4mm bit to pilot. Also use stainless screws or the oak will bleed black muck. Instagram @defender_ventures
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need4speed



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Some good answers there guys thanks.

The house is 9 years old so not sure what spec the ensuite will be built to?

The cabinet is going above the sink so should be away from any pipework as all the pipes come up from below. 4.6 RV8 110HT
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You still might want to be careful, if you have a water supply going up/down a storey IE water holding tank, they will generally run it through a room with an existing water supply.

For example Georgian Homes built by costains have the Kitchen directly below the bathroom with a water holding tank above that so they could cut down on the amount of pipework.

Even more likely as Modern developers like to run the water through the centre of the house through studwork rather than through a cavity wall to prevent heat loss. (And also a sneaky way in order to build "houses" that can later be split into flats or maisonettes.) I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
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Unless it's F heavy, just use a good quality plasterboard fixing. there are several types and we use them to fix kitchen units to walls, and even TVs with no problem. The screw in type are OK, and there are a type that have a metal cage that deforms behind the board when you tighten it. search screwfix for self drill plasterboard fixings, or rawplug hollow wall anchors. V8 90...WIP
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need4speed



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Hmm intersting.

I will find out the weight, report back and maybe you could advise if they would be suitable? 4.6 RV8 110HT
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no worries. you could watch this which explains some of the fixings.

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need4speed



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Like the look of the snap toggle / spring toggle fixings.

However I have tiles to contend with. Guess I need to remove some? Also, knowing my luck I’d hit a stud first time and wonder why the fixings aren’t working! 4.6 RV8 110HT
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the weight is important, but also the method of fixing if you know it. i.e, do you just screw through the back of it, or does it have hooks you fit to the wall first?

a bathroom cabinet is mainly a downward load because they are shallow - so even simple fixings will work quite well. If in doubt, use a spring toggle. if the wall is tiled, so you are going through tiles and plasterboard, this makes a difference to the most suitable fixing as some are designed for plasterboard only V8 90...WIP
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