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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5084   
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It has all been said before, a quick search on this forum proves that. Tax avoidance was a forgone conclusion once proof of a paid displayed tax disk was removed. Was it Osbourne's fault probably, was it the conservatives hair brained ideology most definitely so. Is it our fault for voting in this government in the first place YES.
Would voting in another party change things, NO. Can I give an alternative after living over six decades, most certainly I cannot, will it change in my sons and daughters lifetime, possibly not, unless they realise that the many can change the few. I can only hope they do! For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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17th Nov 2017 2:17am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127  
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^^^ Great post^^^
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17th Nov 2017 10:20am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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The whole system is a con perpetrated by all our Governments and civil servants to wring out as much money from car ownership.
The amount of various classes of V.E.L. dependant on amount of CO2 ,engine size and fuel. You own a vehicle and sell it during a month you pay full month ,the new owner has to pay a full month and cannot legally drive it away until he/she has paid up. Re A.N.P.R............This only as good as the systems in place to show that the owner of the vehicle has not renewed , It can take D.V.L.A. or whatever they are calling themselves today eight weeks to update the systems. I along with thousands of others were asked our opinions on not issuing paper disc's and the possibility of having proof of insurance disc's at the same time over 15 years ago, the results were poor idea and good idea respectively. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
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17th Nov 2017 11:04am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16871 
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That is tax evasion (which is illegal), not tax avoidance (which is sensible and legal). |
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17th Nov 2017 12:46pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2495 
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Just thinking and letting my mind wander regarding the road tax and fuel duty debate. The biggest problem for the Govt is how are they going to collect all of this petrol and diesel fuel duty when we all go electric?
I suspect that in the not too distant future we will all be paying for the miles that we drive and that this will be charged in a similar way to the congestion charge. It would seem relatively easy to charge a higher rate in the larger cities and have reduced rates for rural users, congested motorways would again be at a higher rate than the ones not so snarled up. You could even charge different rates for different days or even times of the day so that if you travel in the rush hour then you pay more. We all know that big brother is here but he's going to get a lot bigger for us petrol heads and diesel heads.  Defender 90XS SW
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17th Nov 2017 1:11pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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/\ Black box...it's coming, mark my words. I did hear it was why the shares in Quindell were rocketing a couple of years ago, but seeing as they went titsup then I'm not sure. We will be charged per mile according to a little box of electronics and internetrickery - that we all know always works perfectly and never goes wrong. Now left.
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17th Nov 2017 1:28pm |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985 
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It vehicle tax really being evaded, or do people just not understand the new system? I'd expect that the vast majority of these 'evaders' have just failed to understand that they need to sort out vehicle tax at purchase.
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17th Nov 2017 1:47pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3337 
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It's why the Government is pushing 'Smart' utility meters. Pay more for your electricity at 6.00pm, less at 3.00am. It has nothing to do with saving the earth, it's trying to create a revenue stream, or in this case of smart meters, trying to restrict the amount of energy being used at times of high demand as we are going to end up using more than can be supplied. I hope they don't smart meter sewers. Not sure I would want to hold out for 90 minutes to get a cheaper poo  |
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17th Nov 2017 1:58pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16871
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Fair point, perhaps we need a new term for the case where people either forget to pay or the system is so complex that they don't realise tht they should have paid. Tax evasion - a willful decision illegally to avoid paying tax which is legally due. Tax avoidance - a decision to pay as little tax as is legally necessary in order to enjoy money you have earned yourself, rather than give it away to others so that they can spend it irresponsibly on things of which you don't necessarily approve. Tax omission - an unintentional failure to pay tax that should have been paid due to stupidity, carelessness, or to the fact that the tax rules are unintelligibly complex. I have no doubt that there will be significant amounts of both the first and third of these in the VED revelation, but probably not the second. |
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17th Nov 2017 2:04pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6036 
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I personally thought the poll tax was great.... why should a couple pay the same as certain members of society who have 9 kids? (and broadly speaking, it was those "certain members" of society that screamed the loudest and almost caused the anarchy you speak of.) But back on point.... Was listeing to Jeremy vine just now on R2.... these people moaning how difficult it is to remember the car tax blah blah.... get a friggin calendar then and write it down with a bright highlighter!!!!!!! or put it into your phone....or setup a reminder on your email It's not exactly rocket science is it  |
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17th Nov 2017 2:10pm |
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| Swine&Small Member Since: 20 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1223
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Here here !!
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17th Nov 2017 3:19pm |
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| simon67 Member Since: 18 Jun 2015 Location: west sussex Posts: 569  
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And all related to each other  |
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17th Nov 2017 4:42pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3337
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Don't come round here and shout cousin. They'll all come running!
I'll go get my banjo. Easier to play with six fingers..... |
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17th Nov 2017 5:24pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024 
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Lots of reasons to not put VED on fuel, some mentioned, but also don't forget all the people who use a filling station not to run a car, the generator, lawn mower, digger etc Mike
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17th Nov 2017 10:18pm |
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