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mse



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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey
TD5 Mileage
How good are TD5's (assuming well looked after) on mileage?

Ive had a carrot dangled for a TD5 disco yesterday, a good deal, but a) i didnt want one and b) its done 187000 miles and i would really like only 100-120000 miles

How much life do you think the TD5 has left in it as a 2004 car? Mike
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bankz5152



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2004 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Epsom Green
Average is around 300k i think, though not unknown to hit 500k
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mse



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Thats reassuring...other than a slightly crunchy 1st gear and a high mileage its ok and cheap basically because its a friend of mine and they just dont want it following a family death Mike
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
I got mine with 136000k about 7 years ago. Now on 202000k. Only had;
New gearbox
New cylinder head (10p Engine / 1999 )
FPR

other service items. 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
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mse



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it did make me chuckle the "only had a new gearbox"

But thats reassuring - im increasingly more tempted Mike
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geobloke



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Almost the same story as excossack.

Now on 182k miles, new gearbox, FPR, service items, essential performance items Whistle

and soon to be either a head gasket or new head...

To own and run they have a same little eccentricities that all vehicles have and some that are LR specific, but they are great fun and I love the TD5 engine.
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
My '02 Disco 2 has done over 200k, it's on its original engine, gearbox, and driveline, although the transfer box (I think) is starting to growl and I have a spare lined up to fit.
Post #660909 31st Oct 2017 3:37pm
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geobloke



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Hi Blackwolf. Bump the transfer box in to neutral and check that it is not the R380. When mine went it was the support bearings and they growled and rumbled like a B-movie special effects beastie...
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Thanks for the suggestion, geobloke, Thumbs Up

I have actually already tried that, but it only growls when under acceleration or deceleration, I cannot make any noise at all at in neutral on either box or when driving on the flat at steady speed. The pitch is definitely road-speed related and is the same pitch irrespective of which gear I am in, and it also does it in low box but obviously at a much lower speed for the same pitch.

My conclusion is that it is either something in the output stage of the R380 or the input stage of the LT230. I have a spare LT230 but not R380, so the plan when I have time is to change the transfer box mainly to see if it affects the noise. If it doesn't, then I 'll have to look to the R380.

I changed the oil in both boxes a couple of weeks ago, and there was nothing unleasant in either in terms of metal fragments or crud. The LT230 was somewhat low on oil since it has had a minor leak for about the last 150k miles and it has been a while since I topped it up.

the sound reminds be of on old-style underground train (or milk-float) accelerating, almost a straight-cut gear noise, so I was quite surprised not to find filings and swarf in one or other box!
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geobloke



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I know exactly the noise you are referring to now, milk float accelerating down the road noise... Rolling with laughter perfect. Interestingly, my original R380 made no noises at all until the bearings collapsed. The replacement box (from ashcrofts) I had built up with the HD support bearings and now I have that old school milk float straight cut gear noise, albeit a faint one.

Anyway. A few things spring to mind. the type of noise you refer to could be caused by literally any bearing in the drive train. So, start with the easy things first, grease those prop shaft UJs up, check for play in the diff flange bearings and LT230 output flanges. Does the noise disappear if you put light pressure on the clutch pedal? if so then it is probably the release bearing.

After all of that at least you are left with only the LT230 and R380 as culprits...

Sorry completely hijacked this thread... Rolling Eyes
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Tommo



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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 90 Td5 Black LE Java Black
Hi
got td5, great vehicle and I am constantly reassured this engine as long as its serviced to correct specifications will last as long as a 300tdi. I avoid non genuine filters like the plague and choose quality fluids. End of story Thumbs Up
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JWL



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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Coniston Green
I've got a 2002 Td5 so a 15p, bought it nearly 8 years ago and put just over 100K on it. Like John above I've replaced the gearbox and also the transfer box, the gearbox had the front bearing give up after time, I did let it go on untill it was a full on problem as opposed to rectifying it early on because for me it was more cost effective to just replace with a less worn one than to have the vehicle off the road for too long.
As an aside the clutch is still original at 205K, yes the dual mass can shudder a bit when hot and shunting trailers but gives no hassle at any other time.
Also as previously mentioned, quality filters are a must and keep on top of any niggles unless you are going to do a full replacement of the component. With the amount of breakers around now it's not so much of an issue keeping a Td5 on the road.
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Avion8



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Australia 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 Heritage Edition SW Grasmere Green
Now just under 320,000kms (200,000 miles) after a 4,600km trip from Brisbane to Perth after having an Ashcroft auto conversion. Conversion was mainly to allow wife to help with the driving when we go around Australia with the caravan. Doesn't use any fluids - except diesel at the rate of 11ltrs/100kms. Probably should look at the head as it is a 10P, but it's running so well!! Probably jinxed it now! 1955 Series 1 107" Pick up.
1977 RRC Suffix 'D'.
2000 Defender 110 TD5 Xtreme.
2015 Defender Heritage 90.
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Martin 01



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Bought my Defender with 180,000 on it all ran fine until recently @ 235,000 miles.
Just had new gearbox, transfer box, clutch, flywheel & associated parts.
All seems to be going good again now. Thumbs Up
It all depends on how it’s been treated throughout its life I suppose.


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geobloke



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Oh good grief Avion you've gone and done it now mate... The local Indy owner has a saying: if it has reached this age/mileage then its a good engine...

If you are concerned do a coolant block test, its completely non-invasive. I used Dr Block Tester (eBay). worked a treat, easy to use and diagnosed a head gasket issue with my 15P. Actually quite a good idea to do this at a service interval as it is so easy and good for peace of mind.

Sorry. Edited due to wrong photo... Whistle


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