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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985   
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If you're in lane 3 planning to move to lane 2, you make sure you indicate otherwise the person in Lane 1 planning to move to lane 2 is likely to hit you. I recently did the IAM advanced driving course (never got round to the exam), You indicate when it could be useful to other road users, not because you're about to change lane/turn etc. That means if you're turning at a roundabout, there is no need to indicate if indicating does not help other road users. If (like me), you were taught the standard way to indicate at every junction/roundabout, it's a hard habit to get out of, but does make you much more aware of other road users. |
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18th Sep 2017 5:05pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664 
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Yes - I indicate at roundabouts by automatic reaction =- even late at night when no one's around. However, as a motorcyclist - I think that's what we should all do. Having been knocked off a bike, and getting the "oh sorry I did not see you" - an indicator on a car even when there's "no-one there" could save lives... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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18th Sep 2017 6:07pm |
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| trickster5000 Member Since: 12 Dec 2015 Location: East Yorkshire Posts: 487 
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As someone who has just passed their test and been through learning to drive this year, I thought I would share my experiences.
With regards to motorways and dual carriageways, my instructor always said very clearly: keep left unless overtaking. Very simple, no extra clauses or conditions. A mate of mine got failed for unnecessarily being in the right hand lane of a dual carriageway for too long. For indicating we were told when rejoining a carriageway (from parked up by side of road for example), only indicate if there was someone there to tell. This almost always means I don't indicate since if there's someone coming, I can't go anyway. In fact my instructor pretty much advised me not to indicate so as not to get a 'minor' fault for potentially making it look like I'm turning off down a side road. We got the same advise when it comes to changing lanes - only indicate when there's someone there to tell. It's extremely rare to be changing lanes on a motorway/dual carriageway when there's no-one around you at all so I always indicate to change lanes. Also they were really hot on signalling at a roundabout - at ALL times
I guess this comes from new drivers misinterpreting/forgetting/too lazy to check around them and decide whether a signal is necessary, but the motorways in this country are busy enough to warrant a signal for lane change pretty much all the time. Not sure what instructors/driving school were telling their pupils that left lane is for HGVs and caravans only but I'm sure they would be failed if they were asked to drive on a dual carriageway in their test  Matt.
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18th Sep 2017 6:55pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8578
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Have just done some long miles on motorways over this weekend.
Saw some 'driving' which only just did not cause collisions. Car enters busy motorway from slip road into lane 1, immeadiately into lane 2 then into lane 3. Car in lane 3 (probably exceeding 70mph) has to do a nose dive to prevent rear ending the car which has just entered motorway. No wonder there are collisions on the motorways. Drivers not maintaining 'safety zones' 'braking distance' or '2 second rules' preferring to keep to the idiotic 1-2 car distance apart. A lot of drivers do not realise that turbulent traffic flow slows dow mass traffic volume flow compared to laminar traffic flow. A lot of drivers do not realise in the UK we drive in lefthand lane unless overtaking. Brendan |
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18th Sep 2017 9:38pm |
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| rockster57 Member Since: 15 Nov 2014 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 937 
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"A lot of drivers do not realise that turbulent traffic flow slows dow mass traffic volume flow compared to laminar traffic flow"
Very true Brendan. Sadly it is only those behind the errant driver who suffer the consequences of his/her chaotic driving, whilst he/she who creates the problem is unaffected by it. Too many selfish people on the roads for us ever to reach that collective responsible utopia. |
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18th Sep 2017 9:50pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006  
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Driving is a privilege, not a right. Learning the mechanics of operating a car is in no way the same as learning road craft. There are soooooooo many people out there who wouldn't know road craft if it drove into them in a waggon. In all honesty I learned to drive once I had passed my driving test not before, which is a sad report on the driving test. Until the test is improved to reflect actual driving conditions nothing will change. Oh and one test at 17 and you are good until 70 is not responsible either, a retest every ten years to 57 and then evey 5 thereafter. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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19th Sep 2017 5:34am |
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| rockster57 Member Since: 15 Nov 2014 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 937
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"Oh and one test at 17 and you are good until 70 is not responsible either, a retest every ten years to 57 and then evey 5 thereafter."
I think I know where you're coming from there Lambert. Although I suspect the culprits in most of the examples of poor driving we grumble about are not the elderly. Bad driving isn't age related - it's attitude related. |
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19th Sep 2017 1:06pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
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19th Sep 2017 2:13pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7873
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I can still remember my driving instructor telling me after I passed "Now I've taught you to pass the test, now you need to learn to drive!"
James
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19th Sep 2017 2:54pm |
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| rockster57 Member Since: 15 Nov 2014 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 937
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Whilst I agree the test should be more "testing", I doubt the changes would amount to much. Yes, the failing eyesight, reactions and judgment of some of the elderly will be exposed. As for the rest of the motoring community, too many will play the game to requalify but then lapse into bad driver behaviour just as they do now. It's the anonymity of being enclosed in a metal box that reveals a drivers true character. How can that be tackled? Or the bravado of the younger drivers in the company of their mates?
Anyway, I'm getting off my soapbox now and heading back to my favourite forum section - you know, the grumpy old git thread  |
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19th Sep 2017 3:06pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006
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I'm not saying it would weed out all bad driving but it would be an improvement on once and done. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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