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orkneydave

Member Since: 25 Sep 2016
Location: Orkney Islands
Posts: 76

Rolling 40 year MOT exemtion

Just been made aware on another forum of a 40 year rolling exemption for cars being introduced from May next year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultation...c-interest

There are some things to watch out for though such as increases of power to weight ratio and significant alterations.

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To summarise: Vehicles over 40 years old to be exempt from MOT unless they are 'substantially altered' with in the 8-point DVLA ruling or have the power-to-weight ratio increased by more than 15 per cent over original, in which case they will no longer be deemed a VHI. In the case of the power to weight ratio, if the modifications can be proved to have been implemented before 1988, then nothing changes. If you've built a hot-rod Porsche based on an early car since 1988, then you'll lose the rights to Historic status it would appear.

14th Sep 2017 3:10pm

Intercept

Member Since: 27 Feb 2017
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 587

2002 Defender 110 Td5 Black LE Java Black

One less thing to forget to do on the 101

Free road tax and the legal right to use black & silver number plates

However, apart from saving ~£50 per year I'm not entirely convinced that the MOT exemption is a good thing. Responsible owners will always keep their vehicles in a roadworthy condition but what about the others?

Insurance policies for historic vehicles will need new wording, as most specify that the vehicle must have a current MOT to be insured.

14th Sep 2017 4:32pm

forever

Member Since: 16 Dec 2013
Location: Surrey
Posts: 72

So i guess not point in MOT'ing mine after its winter layoff, 1971 88"

14th Sep 2017 5:24pm

Stacey007

Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3693

At first I thought ooh that's good...

But...

Most 40 year old cars will not be daily drivers some maybe do hundreds of miles a year at most. Many even less..

So the MOT is to test the CAR is safe? not just for you but other road users?

for example is this right that I could have my series sat in the garage year on year, bring it out after 14 months sat there and trundle down the road even motorway and no tests on the car would have been done....?

Not sure its a good thing really... As already mentioned people will buy up 'old' bangers' of any make not just LR and sell them in all sorts of conditions?

As said I think 'we' will keep them good as its in out interest but not convinced.

14th Sep 2017 8:34pm

orkneydave

Member Since: 25 Sep 2016
Location: Orkney Islands
Posts: 76

Mine is a daily driver and I know that there a couple of minor jobs for next MOT. With an exemption I could in theory just not bother. Will be interesting to see if the part about power to weight makes it into the legislation and how it will be policed.

What is worrying is that I have an MGB that will be exempt too. It's off the road after the engine gave way and I found the sills were made of papier mache. In theory, I could now just patch it up and put back on the road without independent inspection (I wont). But then I could already do that with a pre 1960 car!

14th Sep 2017 8:45pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 3995

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

What's driving this consultation? I'm not aware the classic car world has been pushing for it, in fact many seem in favour of keeping the MOT. Is this about some how making testing cheaper for government/garages? Maybe they no longer need some equipment to test older vehicles or something? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

14th Sep 2017 9:10pm

Procta

Member Since: 04 Dec 2016
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 4932

you have tony blair and his mates for binning off the 20 year old tax exempt, then they decided to push on the 40 year old thing and bin off MOTs on anything from pre 1970s.
They should have left it all as it was, instead playing about with things that are not broken!
But its nice to see that its finally rolling now, but the MOT thing I have to say should remain, you do get some bodged up classics, minis are a favourite for this thing. Last thing you want to do be buying is a classic car of your dreams only for it to be a death trap! Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it!

15th Sep 2017 1:03am

Stacey007

Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3693

Is it time I went out and buy up as many cars 39 years old with out MOT's...

15th Sep 2017 9:41am

miker

Member Since: 13 Sep 2015
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1758

Just because it's not a legal requirement, many insurance companies will probably still insist on an MOT to prove road worthiness. I believe that some companies already do for MOT exempt cars

15th Sep 2017 10:11am

ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey

I've always Done voluntary MOTs on my 3 series 1s, (all Historic mot & tax)
But I always think if anything were to happen and it was an insurance Job, would they try to wriggle themselves out of paying out?
I'm sure they would go through the vehicle with a fine tooth comb?

Plus, even though I've restored, and maintained them myself it doesn't hurt to have another pair of eyes look over it from time to time.

I can understand tax exempt, that's a nice gesture but I think the MOT should stay for everyone's safety regardless of age.
I do MOTs and it's scary what people are happy to drive about in!

80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered.

15th Sep 2017 10:33am

Stacey007

Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3693

^ Agree

It's not just your safety driving it but other road users and pedestrians etc..

Seems odd, but if it's needed for the Insurance still then it will still be a requirement really?

15th Sep 2017 10:38am

Thon

Member Since: 22 Nov 2015
Location: Salisbury Plain
Posts: 696

In all good sense the vehicle should be maintained in accordance with the requirements of an MOT anyway.

I suspect if a vehicle defect was the cause of an accident it wouldn't matter if it possessed a valid MOT or not, or whether it required one or not - the owner would be responsible either way. Irrespective of a yearly MOT the user has a responsibility to maintain the vehicle in a roadworthy condition.

In the same way I would also not be surprised if an insurance company would use the defect as a reason to refuse to honour a claim as the vehicle had not been maintained in accordance with statutory requirements or in a roadworthy condition.

Personally I am happy to have a knowledgeable person check my car from top to bottom, and I think a one year interval makes sense.

15th Sep 2017 11:06am

lambert.the.farmer

Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: harrogate
Posts: 2006

Don't forget that an mot is only valid at the moment of testing. It is not a guarantee of the vehicle still being in a roadworthy state 6 months later or 6 weeks later or even 6 hours later, hence the plod have the right to demand any vehicle be subjected to the test at any time if they have due reason for concern. The responsibility for roadworthiness rests with the user. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.

15th Sep 2017 4:56pm

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