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AntonisK



Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: nicosia
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Cyprus 
Winching
New to winching,
to be used as a mud / off road personal recovery and pulling help on rescues.
Running puma 90 tdci 2.4 L.
Any ideas of model to use, shortlist consists of warn tabor 10k / 12k, or terrafirma a1200, both new year 2017.
Post #649579 11th Sep 2017 2:25pm
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Scott_Landy



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United Kingdom 1993 Defender 110 200 Tdi CSW Firenze Red
I'm no pro. But I have found a 9000lb line pull enough to extract a 110 no problems at all. And if you are really stuck you can double line to halve the load. I'm looking currently and there are a lot of cheap new ones out there. But on reflection I'm going to stick to Warn, Superwinch or Goodwinch. But just personal preference!
Post #649625 11th Sep 2017 6:57pm
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AntonisK



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Thx Scott
I asked a pro for a comparison, I ll keep the forum updated
Post #649630 11th Sep 2017 7:26pm
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davew



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England 1990 Defender 90 V8 Petrol PU Auto Rioja Red
It depends how often you expect to use it and how long you'll use it for when you do. It also depends on budget !

If it's just occasional use then a Goodwinch Goldfish is a good option for the money. Far more chance of it working when you need it if you've not needed it for ages. Have had one on the front of our 90 for 4 years, all weathers and all conditions, floods and snow to 40 degrees C heat and it's never missed a beat when needed.

If you're after a faster winch with more options available then a Warn 8274 is the basis for the vast majority of competition vehicles but the basic winch is a really good workhorse.

If you have a big budget you could look at Redwinch but I guess that would be a bit OTT for your use !

That's assuming you want to go electric of course, if you're anticipating winching for miles through a rain forest then hydraulic or PTO are a better option. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
Post #649688 11th Sep 2017 9:40pm
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AntonisK



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thx davew
so u have NO say in comparing the 2 I mentioned.
reason is that am planning on buying from a dealer that can provide me with warn, come up, and terrafirma brands only, any model of course.

Rgds,
Post #649803 12th Sep 2017 12:01pm
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Devon-Rover



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Aintree Green
Given the above choices you have given then I would rank it.

1) Tabor 10K as IMHO unless you are going to be continuously up to the bumper in cack then the 12K is a bit overkill.

2) Come up winch if you could get a Seal Gen 2 which is either in 9.5 or 12.5 flavours then it's a good pick.

3) the Terrafirma could be a good choice but it is new on the market I don't know who has supplied the basic chassis as you can bet your bottom dollar it is an outsourced Chinese / Taiwanese make which it branded Terrafirma.

That is my two cents worth.
Post #649909 12th Sep 2017 7:12pm
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jst



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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
personally i wouldnt use any of the ones you suggest if you want reliability. Cheers

James
110 XS Utility
130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making)
90 Puma Hardtop
Post #649915 12th Sep 2017 7:27pm
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AntonisK



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Thx davon
Good points

Jst, which is reliability for u ??
Post #649974 12th Sep 2017 10:08pm
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jst



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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
TDS Cheers

James
110 XS Utility
130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making)
90 Puma Hardtop
Post #649975 12th Sep 2017 10:12pm
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mikeh501



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when comparing 9 or 12k winches just remember that they are sometimes the same winch motor just with more reduction in the 12k. This can make them glacial in use vs a 9k. If you really need more pulling power in the 9k you can obviously just do a double line pull anyway. Having done many pay and play days and lots of recoveries its not very often anything more than a 9k is needed. I can count the double lines pulls on one hand.
Post #650309 14th Sep 2017 4:12pm
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AntonisK



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Thx mikeh
Any opinion on the new tabor 10 ks ?
Other recommendation ?
Post #650318 14th Sep 2017 4:43pm
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mikeh501



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Im not up to speed on the terrafirma product, but id go for a warn. cant really go wrong with one of them. very well respected brand.

whichever you get, make sure you get a wireless remote and ensure it has plasma cable rather than wire rope.

The other thing is that your recovery points are more important than the winch, so make sure your winch bumper has some, and you have some rear recovery as well.
Post #650319 14th Sep 2017 4:47pm
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Chris86



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Chawton White
Hi,
Another vote here for a Goodwinch TDS, decent winch at a sensible price- also great parts back up and support from David Bowyer too!

Warn winches are lovely but parts are very expensive should you need to replace anything.

Chris
Post #650550 15th Sep 2017 10:25pm
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jst



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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
our ones at the centre (Warn) need constant maintenance and parts are £££££ Cheers

James
110 XS Utility
130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making)
90 Puma Hardtop
Post #650607 16th Sep 2017 1:09pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
I have been generally disappointed with the Warn XD9000i on my Disco 2, and I don't honestly think that current Warns are really any better than the rest of the budget far-East-manufactured epicyclic winches.

If I had no option but to buy a budget winch, I'd probably look at a TDS. I've never used one but I have heard reasonably good things about them. (Actually this is not really true, if my budget was that limited I'd buy a genuine Tirfor (not one of the cheap copies) so at least I had a top-quality winch).

Personally for a electric winch there are really only two I'd trust my life with, a Warn 8274 or a Fairy/Superwinch Husky. The Husky in my view is a better winch and is bomb-proof, but for competitive use an 8274 is faster and more customisable.
Post #650642 16th Sep 2017 3:55pm
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