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Procta



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200 tdi clutch died
Can anyone tell me how a new clutch just dies? My parents are now stranded with their caravan on the back,
The story is my dad got it into his head that the clutch was knackered and insisted it needed a replacement before they went away. The problem was the master cylinder was failing, and the clutch had already been replaced ( it was still practically brand new)
He has replaced the master ,slave cylinders and the clutch, They did have some trouble getting it into gears after everything was put together. But after a few miles everything seemed to correct its self, and my dad gave the pedal a bleed.
Now what I do not understand is how the hell has it over heated or died? Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #645072 19th Aug 2017 5:51pm
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ickle



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Was the clutch fork changed at the time - there is a design fault and the pivot punches through the arm...
Post #645073 19th Aug 2017 6:03pm
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Procta



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that was changed too, even though it had already had the replacement one on Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #645075 19th Aug 2017 6:14pm
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Mo Murphy



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Did he reset the pedal height after changing the master cylinder ? If it's got hot then perhaps it's been slipping ?
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.
Post #645081 19th Aug 2017 6:36pm
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Procta



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well murph, that could be it, He did set the pedal the same height as it was before. The pedal is now rock solid and he can smell the clutch, so looks like he may have killed the clutch Sad
is there a set procedure to do with the pedal height? he may have not adjusted it properly. He just dives into jobs with out so much as researching before hand.
He didn't really think properly on how he was going to drop the box until I asked on here, sometimes all you get is " I nore that already" hates been shown anything until stuff goes tits up!
So looks like World war 3 is about to kick off in the procta house hold when they finally get back. Rolling Eyes
So pray for us Rolling Eyes
But please keep the help coming, before he starts to pull it a part again! last thing we need is it to be in bits if it doesn't need to be in bits! Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #645088 19th Aug 2017 6:51pm
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ickle



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its about 1" of free play at the pedal IIRC

Might be worth adjusting it and seeing if you can get drive.....
Post #645101 19th Aug 2017 8:10pm
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Mo Murphy



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Set the pedal height from the bottom of the clutch pedal to the bare floor to 140mm.
There should be 1/4'' of free play in the pedal movement before resistance is felt.
HTH
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.
Post #645121 19th Aug 2017 9:21pm
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Procta



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thanks murph, They are back home now, sadly the clutch is fried, you can really smell it! I think my dads cocked up when he put the gearbox back in, and damaged the pressure plate.
He had the car on axle stands which made more work for him and he wound the gearbox in, when it was at an angle and we heard a massive bang!
I will see what the story is tomorrow before I go back to bed, for nightshift, Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #645174 20th Aug 2017 1:36am
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Mo Murphy wrote:
Set the pedal height from the bottom of the clutch pedal to the bare floor to 140mm.
There should be 1/4'' of free play in the pedal movement before resistance is felt.
HTH
Mo


was that with the spring in place? also my dad thinks he may have used the wrong nuts, Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #646168 24th Aug 2017 9:57pm
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Mo Murphy



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The spring doesn't affect pedal height, it just pulls the pedal back up.
Your dad used the wrong nuts on what ?
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.
Post #646219 25th Aug 2017 8:25am
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Thanks murph, he thinks he used the wrong nuts for the pedal adjuster, Ie a nilock one instead of the two original ones. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #646328 25th Aug 2017 8:16pm
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Procta



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we found out what the crack was with it today, after removing the gearbox.
My dad hasn't adjusted the pedal properly at all, so we found that the bearing was cooked, the clutch pressure plate is warped and the clutch plate is cracked with the heat. Also looks like the oil seal may have been damaged due to the heat sadly.
This time its getting done properly not the arsehole of backwards way, that my dad did!
Having the cars front end on ramps, then fighting like hell trying to get the height etc. Also I have managed to get my mate to help, much to my dads discussed but he needs the extra help and ideas, As with him going on daft about the clutch in the 1st place that didn't need doing, and with the "I nah that" attitude. The car has ended up worse now and parts buying twice! Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #646673 27th Aug 2017 10:23pm
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I don't know how old your Dad is but I feel for you, My Dad's a (bright) 75 year old and can do EVERYTHING by himself, till it goes wrong. Rolling Eyes

Michael
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Procta



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He is 62 just gone Michael, He is just stubborn, wanted to have the car on axle stands at the front, and again I had to practically lose my loaf with him about it, not needed to be on, as the car is high enough as it is!
Laugh was as soon as he did what I told him, things went smooth as silk with the gearbox transmission jack that he says its not ideal for 4x4s, but we are dropping the full works out ( gearbox and transfer box as one lot) So its about to be a top heavy for the jack. Just a simple assistance with another jack and we were all good!
He lacks planning and assessment skills, and just dives right in and things just goes tits up or things are twice as hard as they needed to be. Like the 1st time around with the clutch thing! My mum helped him the 1st time around and she has washed her hands for it this time around. I think she is on the verge of getting rid of it, So I have had to ask a mate to help out. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #646690 28th Aug 2017 1:26am
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Mo Murphy



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Some people always need to learn the hard way 😂😉
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