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huffhuff



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AMP connector - crimping
Hi all,

I have the below plug/socket. What is the best method of crimping? Buying a specific tool? If so, what and where? Or will a squish with pliers work? Worth a dab of solder?

Cheers in advance


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JustFX



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A ratchet crimp tool for Uninsulated crimps should do the job. I bought a set with interchangeable anvils so I can use them for a variety of projects.

Something like this would do,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182613942170

The Connectors can be found on the bay for a few quid for 10 or so. Just have to wait for China delivery times. 
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Thanks. I have the usual red, blue and yellow ratchet crimper. Will dig it out and see if the anvils can be changed Smile

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A pair of needlenose pliers would do the job just right.

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^ A special crimp tool like in the link from JustFX will do much better than a pair of needle nose pliers...


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custom90steve wrote:
A pair of needlenose pliers would do the job just right.

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Indeed Steve, much much cheaper than the more specialized crimpers.
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Cheers all. Pliers it is Smile TD5 Defender 90
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If you want the connector to be as good as the manufacturer intended, then you should use a crimp tool that is recommended for the application.

Don't use any solder unless it is suggested in the fitting instructions - generally it will bind the cores together, preventing them from flexing correctly, which is not good for long term reliability. You may be able to make the crimp with pliers but it won't be as reliable as if you used the correct tool.
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👍🏻 You can solder too, but I wouldn't on small wires as you can get extreme heat build up very fast and scortch the insulation. I did mine with pliers and have never ever had an issue. You do need to be careful and precise though. I like Superseal connectors, very effective seal and easy to unplug. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽ï¸ðŸ›¢ï¸ðŸ‘¨â€ðŸ”§ðŸ§°âš™ï¸ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧
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Cheers all. Will put it on the list for tomorrow Smile TD5 Defender 90
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Thon wrote:
If you want the connector to be as good as the manufacturer intended, then you should use a crimp tool that is recommended for the application.

Don't use any solder unless it is suggested in the fitting instructions - generally it will bind the cores together, preventing them from flexing correctly, which is not good for long term reliability. You may be able to make the crimp with pliers but it won't be as reliable as if you used the correct tool.


If you want a good durable connection you'll heed the advice of Thon.
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Ok. I'm in no rush. Who can find me the cheapest/best crimper that will do the job on eBay or Amazon Smile TD5 Defender 90
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Pliers and soldering are not the way to go Shocked


There's a Durite ratchet crimping tool, designed for Superseal and Econoseal terminals, which crimps the conductor and wire seal in one operation -








It's available on ebay and from several auto electrical suppliers.

The cheapest I've found is from Autoelectricsupplies -

https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/922/category/87


You can make an acceptable crimp on Superseal and Econoseal terminals, with the cheapo crimping tool for non insulated terminals -






Here are a couple of Econoseal terminals that I crimped to 1.0mm² cable, using the above tools -

The terminal on the Black wire was done with the Durite ratchet crimper.

The terminal on the Blue wire was done with the cheapo crimper, using a combination of the smallest crimping die (1.25mm) for the conductor, and the cable stripper die (5.5mm) for the wire seal.


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Thanks Paul, very thorough reply Smile

I'll look at getting a legit crimping tool. Any excuse to fill up the toolbox... TD5 Defender 90
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I recently swapped all of the lights on mine from the originals with bullet connectors to the more modern ones that use Econseal connectors. As I had a lot to do, I invested in a proper crimp tool like this:


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It wasn't expensive from eBay but is sooo much better at making crimped joints. I'll never faff around with pliers again. Darren

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