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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 494   
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I wonder how this can be done without disturbing the bleed nipples?
Picture of reservoir before main dealer service  Click image to enlarge Picture of reservoir after main dealer service Click image to enlarge Picture of example bleed nipple post service, they are all the same appearance - a grey film of dust and grime Click image to enlarge 
The level was low and the red warning light was flashing on at times. I put this down to the initial loss of fluid due to a slack union on delivery when new, as the pads were showing very little wear. I didn't bother to top up, as I new the fluid would be getting changed at the service. How is it that the rear partition is darker? If the fluid was changed, wouldn't it all be the same colour? Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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21st Apr 2017 12:14pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5086  
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In a word your dealership are crooks, by definition a crook is dishonest, a cheat and a thief. As they will have charged you and then accepted money for work they did not carry out they are also in the eyes of law, criminals.
I would demand they carry out the work and also demand that they pay you back the money and complete the job gratis. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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21st Apr 2017 12:34pm |
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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 494
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Thanks for the replies.
The service sheet (hard copy printed from Topix) has a tick alongside "Replace brake fluid". The hard copy of online service record details "Renewal of Brake Fluid". I have a service plan with the dealer. I'm pretty certain there are other omissions from the list. I reckon the technician just couldn't be bothered and felt no one would know or check. Oh well, time to compose the email of complaint. Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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21st Apr 2017 12:53pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Replacing brake fluid is a standard and mandatory part of 24/48/72.... months service. And irrespective of mileage covered as brake fluid is hygroscopic, so absorbs humidity even if not used.
Is this a main dealer? If so, with your written evidence, you should contact Land Rover higher up as this is criminal misconduct of their dealer which brings safety at risk. Large companies like JLR do not like negative safety news very much these days. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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21st Apr 2017 1:28pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19696 
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I've always thought brake fluid should be changed every two years.
For this reason, why on earth is it not part of servicing? Unless you request it and know, they'll let you run on 4 or 5 year old brake fluid. 
Unless completely bled, you aren't replacing all of the fluid. Personally, I don't touch the brakes myself. Too much risk involved in case anything went wrong or anything. They are so critical in every way.  Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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21st Apr 2017 1:33pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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It is part of the B-service, so dealer should replace the brake fluid at 24/48/72 months as I said before.
https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u..._Sheet.pdf You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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21st Apr 2017 3:47pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19696
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But at additional cost, is that correct? Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧
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21st Apr 2017 5:12pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Don't know how it works in the UK, but here we have no fixed prices for A or B maintenance service packages. The dealer will do what is to be done for either a A or a B service, plus any other jobs we may ask for, and you pay for what they do. Seems the best way to avoid dealers to take short cuts. You get what you pay for, right?
Now, if you would be able to show that a dealer did not replace the entire brake fluid, but did invoice that job and put it it in the service manual, JLR Switzerland would take that very seriously. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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21st Apr 2017 5:53pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
dealer will test brake fluid from master reservoir
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21st Apr 2017 6:33pm |
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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 494
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Had a response from the dealer. They are not denying it or otherwise wriggling, just a straight apology and vehicle you going back next week. There are another 4 matters that i didn't mention on here. I just wanted some background to confirm i wasn't wrong about the fluid change. I reckon the fluid in the reservoir should all be the same colour if it is changed. If i were doing it, I'd be syringing the fluid out then bleeding through to the callipers with the fresh fluid. It's clear to me these nipples haven't been disturbed.
It's pretty galling when the service literature stresses the high quality genuine parts and land rover trained technicians for your piece of mind. It comes down to trust at the end of the day. If the man/woman/boy wielding the spanner doesn't care, it all is meaningless. Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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21st Apr 2017 10:23pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5086
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I know of two Main Agents who when busy farm out work to an independent garage round the corner. If I can and if at all possible when main agents carry out work I like to sit in the viewing gallery and watch.  For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
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25th Apr 2017 5:13pm |
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| Swine&Small Member Since: 20 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1223
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This all seems like paying for the solicitor to do the conveyance at his rate
and then finding out it is done by the clerk/office boy  1983 Series 3 Pick up in Marine Blue
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25th Apr 2017 5:20pm |
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| miker Member Since: 13 Sep 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 1760 
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Interestingly, a lot of manufacturers are now moving to 3 years on the brake fluid. Probably to satisfy the lease market, but I know for a fact my brake fluid on my other car is heading for 4 years old, and I have no braking issues. Regardless, in this case they said they did it, so they damn well should have done it!! |
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25th Apr 2017 5:25pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 
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To be honest it can last much longer than that. You could just used a fluid tester on it and replace it when it gets above a certain percentage of water content.
Changing it does flush out some of the small particles that end up in the system too, but the actual fluid is good as long as it hasn't absorbed too much water, and as the system is basically sealed not much moisture is likely to get in there. Pretty much all cars are over braked these days, it's rare to get the brakes hot enough that they suffer brake fade, unlike old drum braked cars for example. While a Defender's brakes aren't as sharp as say a Range Rover's you can still make the wheels lock up with ease. Fluid specs have also increased, although most fluids are DOT4 grade, this is the minimum grade and most modern ones are actually have much higher boiling points than the minimum. |
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25th Apr 2017 5:58pm |
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