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Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3753

2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

G'Day Brendan, from Aussie.
The problem is, not what N. Korea has NOW, but what it will have in the future, if it's not stopped now.
And what it will have in the future is intercontinental nuclear missiles which can threaten all of the world.
It can't do so now, 'cause it ain't got the capacity, and Trump doesn't want 'em to get it, neither does China, so hopefully China can intervene.
Like I said, I don't like ANY Wars etc,...my parents were in England during WW11, so I was brought up with the horrors of war.
However, if there is going to be some drama between the U.S. and N.Korea, I'd rather it happen now, rather than when N.Korea has the ability to start sending nuclear missiles everywhere.
Pickles.

14th Apr 2017 10:43pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8578

Hi Pickles, yes I understand your concerns about N Korea.

I am not sure if the 'best' solution is for the US to take action against N Korea or if China should take action.

Now if US takes action will N Korea retaliate against say S Korea or send missiles Japan or Australia way?

Will China still support N Korea in the event of an attack or will they respond against US facilities in that area?

I can see China militarising the S China Sea in the event of an attack on N Korea which will raise tensions even higher with Vietnam, Philippines and other countries in the region.

Biggest problem I think is how weak and ineffective the UN is with a single member of the security council able to block any action. Think of Russia and Syria.

What will be the solution I do not know!

Brendan

15th Apr 2017 8:35am

wyvern

Member Since: 14 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2070

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

shaggydog wrote:
It is quite a bit of kit.

I love military kit, it is by far the coolest stuff on the planet in terms of capability.

This weapon is amazing, not the most powerful (the Russians have a bigger one ) But surely we could have put that much thought into something more helpful?

I just wish that we had better uses for it, Imagine the military hardware but used for humanitarian work? More like Thunderbirds than political point scoring at the cost of human and animal life.

Everyone always forgets about animals caught up in conflict, makes me sad.

Shaggy -
the media always make mistakes and build up the event to make a major news article ...
the bomb used in this conflict was not a big as the ones used in 1945 during WW2 by 617 squadron - called the 'Grand Slam' - ...

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15th Apr 2017 9:12am

David T

Member Since: 01 Sep 2016
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 190

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black

I used to think Randy Newman's "Drop The Big One" was funny but, if you listen to the lyrics now, it might just be President Trump's fave tune.

15th Apr 2017 10:47am

AndyS

Member Since: 18 Aug 2012
Location: London
Posts: 595

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Sumatra Black

Re: the mother of all bombs

gilarion wrote:
The MOAB falls from the aircraft on a pallet, which is then tugged aside by a parachute allowing the weapon to glide down, stabilised and directed by four grid-like fins.

Sounds dangerous, having a pallet free falling to the ground. You don't know who it might hurt.

Seems to me that Trump is on a steep learning curve in the intricacies of foreign affairs. I hope the world can be patient while he figures it out.

15th Apr 2017 3:19pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6264

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

/\ you're right the pallet could do some real damage but imagine if the bomb failed to detonate, at 10,000 Ibs if that landed on you it would probably do more damage than the pallet.

it's a dangerous world out there.

15th Apr 2017 8:11pm

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3753

[quote="leeds"]Hi Pickles, yes I understand your concerns about N Korea.

I am not sure if the 'best' solution is for the US to take action against N Korea or if China should take action.

Now if US takes action will N Korea retaliate against say S Korea or send missiles Japan or Australia way?

Will China still support N Korea in the event of an attack or will they respond against US facilities in that area?

I can see China militarising the S China Sea in the event of an attack on N Korea which will raise tensions even higher with Vietnam, Philippines and other countries in the region.

Biggest problem I think is how weak and ineffective the UN is with a single member of the security council able to block any action. Think of Russia and Syria.

What will be the solution I do not know!

Brendan[/quote
]Agree with you 100%,....particularly with respect to the U.N......"Toothless Tiger", IMHO. Prime example was last week when it was proposed that a formal U.N. investigation be conducted on the Syrian gas issue,...vetoed by Russia (I wonder why?!) so no action!...can't see the U.N. being of any use in anything while that Veto rule is in place.
Regards, Pickles.

15th Apr 2017 10:20pm

Blfarrar

Member Since: 16 Apr 2017
Location: Hillsborough
Posts: 3

New on here...

I saw the link to the detail of the MOAB some time back
It isn't the let go & it goes where it wants...
It's guided.
http://www.chonday.com/Videos/mother-of-all-bombs

16th Apr 2017 4:38am

IanW

Member Since: 12 Jun 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 172

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zambezi Silver

Regarding the lack of civilian casualties - hopefully accurate, but I remember the apocryphal US comment from Vietnam - 'If they're dead they must be Cong'. One wife - livid

16th Apr 2017 9:27am

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