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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283  
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Acceptable? For what? For urban-warrior style over function? We are not talking about what looks good to those who like this kind of look, we are talking about a replacement for the DEFENDER. Where will the military place all their body-mounted stuff? How will the Electricity Companies adapt it for use? How will farmers get their "Wide Load" board across the front, when accompanying a combine down rural roads? How will the conversion Companies adapt it for special uses? And all those people who seem to need to stand on a Defender wing in order to reach something? Dent it and bash it, replace bits as they fall off or get abused - and still look OK? If it was as easy as the picture above, Land Rover would have done it a long time ago. Just adding a new model to the range is one thing. Truly replacing Defender is entirely another. The Company seem to have been agonising over that choice for more than a decade. |
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28th Dec 2017 10:03pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707  
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That's got independent air suspension. 130's have feeling's as well you know
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28th Dec 2017 10:04pm |
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| simonpuma90 Member Since: 16 Nov 2008 Location: south wales Posts: 472 
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What has
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28th Dec 2017 10:10pm |
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| Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501 
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I,m sure I read recently somewhere on the net that the new Defender would have solid axles mounted to sub frames that mount to an existing platform.
This did give me some hope that It would be a “proper” Defender. Probably no truth in it but would be an interesting concept. 2005 Td5 90 XS Steve |
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28th Dec 2017 10:18pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1350 
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I can't think of a single vehicle that uses solid axles AND subframes.
The geometry and loads just don't work. If it's based on an existing platform, then the layout would be the same. All current LR models are independent suspension, as is that mule in the photos. |
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28th Dec 2017 10:32pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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^ The mule.
The new defender will/may have a body mounted rear diff. Or perhaps electric drive motors mounted on the hubs. 130's have feeling's as well you know |
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28th Dec 2017 10:40pm |
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| simonpuma90 Member Since: 16 Nov 2008 Location: south wales Posts: 472
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LRO show it on wishbones with coil springs
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29th Dec 2017 4:41am |
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| fisha Member Since: 17 Mar 2012 Location: Vegas, Scotland Posts: 33 |
That mule definitely looks defender to me. ... there is a vertical cut line in the body the wrap ... very defender door like. then add a couple of further lines based on very basic defender lines ...
 Click image to enlarge and some ham fisted photoshopping ... Click image to enlarge Heck ... lets have a 110 ... I'd buy something like that ... Click image to enlarge ------------------------------- I miss my V8's.... |
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4th Jan 2018 11:41pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3752  
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IMHO those images look horrible, totally lacking in character.
Pickles. |
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5th Jan 2018 4:22am |
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| jonesfrm Member Since: 03 Apr 2017 Location: Gloucester- Churchdown Posts: 104
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^lack of character+1
I did hear however that this isn't the final body that will be placed onto it. I went to Gaydon the other day and it was there( didn't see it obviously) but discussed it with a member of the DC development team. They said that they will be bringing out a SVX a year or two later. The chap obviously wasn't allowed to say much to me but did just say that they had the equivalent of the 130 in the interior testing dept. And it was 'huge'. So that may be a comfort! |
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5th Jan 2018 8:03am |
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| LiftedDisco Member Since: 17 Aug 2014 Location: Towcester Posts: 349 
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Nope - different concept, different vehicles. Whilst Bowler do undertake a lot of secret squirrel stuff for LR, the Bulldog is based on RRS running gear, hung off the Bowler designed ladder chassis. I’ll accept that some of the learning from this process may have percolated back into LR but that can only be a good thing bearing in mind how capable the Bulldog is... |
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5th Jan 2018 8:31am |
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| LiftedDisco Member Since: 17 Aug 2014 Location: Towcester Posts: 349
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I’m quietly confident that the new vehicle will be a winner - true, it may not completely appeal to the old image of a Defender or those who want a square box of bolts and rivets but I think that it will be a class-leading contender in terms of capability. I was lucky enough to push a FFRR to the limits just before Christmas - factory trim and road tyres and it went places (and out again) that would have had me breaking a sweat in anything ‘traditional’ and, in all likelihood, having to call for some sort of assistance. So, I suspect that sheer capability will be built in, potentially far, far more than most folks will use in a lifetime and that leaves the flexibility of design. There will be various platforms to chose from and there will be options to mount kit - a roofless car is not new, they were offering Astra convertibles (Yeughhh...) in the 80’s and the concept of a stiffened floor pan is there within LR. This then needs to be reviewed by any 3P equipment suppliers to identify how to fit cherry pickers etc - this process is already being assessed. True, it may not be available on the first down the line, but it will evolve and it will happen... I’m looking forward to seeing L663 launched and on the roads / off the road... |
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5th Jan 2018 8:43am |
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| Stuff Member Since: 06 Feb 2017 Location: Between cradle and grave Posts: 41 |
Winter testing:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...-commences |
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10th Jan 2018 9:48pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3996 
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A lot of photos of debbie in that latest story. The more you look at them closely, the more there is hope that the finished product will look different. The whole front end is so badly fitted its obviously lashed together for testing purposes. There is a weird little step down half way along the roof too, which suggests that will change too. Then the obvious fake second row door.
The one thing that is promising are the skinny high profile tyres on the long wheelbase model, and the wheels look like they are a modernised version of the old Boost design... maybe the spirit of the Defender hasn’t been totally cleansed Click image to enlarge 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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10th Jan 2018 11:09pm |
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