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NorseDefenderTd5



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Norway 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Trident Green
-99 TD5 Brake light issues, going nuts!
Upgraded to LED light all over, as well as new shocks, tubular turrets, DAB radio & Antenna and so forth Smile

HOWEVER! A huge problem with the brake light has surfaced, it may have excisted for a while already, but only discovered this during my function test of all the lights.
NO-brake light at all. Been trying "everything". Switch is OK, direct connection from live wire to the other wire with ignition on. No change, no light!
Use a circuit tracer, to see if I could find anything, and traced it back to the green wire on the rear wiper?!!
Anyone have any tips or ideas as to what could cause this?

All other lights work perfectly, even the daylight lights on the brake light socket works.. Just no brake light. I checked the tow, and it works fine, no bad corrosion on the trailer connector behind rear wheel either..

Am I loosing my mind or what the #$(/# Twisted Evil Big Cry
Post #612614 27th Mar 2017 7:20pm
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miker



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Rioja Red
Sounds like there could be wiring error in the plug on the lights, or the plug on the vehicle.
Post #612624 27th Mar 2017 7:29pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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Yes, something is not right, but what to check.... Not sure where the error is happening. The weird part is that it cleared the MOT 4 wks ago, and unless they "forgot" to check the brake light, it was working then. Not sure where I should check next..
Post #612627 27th Mar 2017 7:40pm
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mk1collector



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Led lights only work one way so swap the live and earth over and try again Ray
My build thread
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html
Post #612639 27th Mar 2017 8:03pm
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Alien



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Have you tried plugging the old lights in to eliminate faulty upgraded LED's?
If your getting brake lights at your tow plug I'd be suggesting the LED's are wired wrong.
It was hard to pick up if the MOT was done after the LED upgrade was fitted or prior.

This is where I'd be starting...
.Swap the old lights in and test.
If no brake lights with a test light or multi meter check...
-power feed to the brake light switch (I'm thinking blown fuse here)
-power from the brake light switch
(I see you joined these wires for testing but was there power supplied with the ignition on?)
If you're happy power is being supplied test...
-power at the brake light plugs with the LED's disconnected, check all 3(2 side + high mount).
-check there is a good earth supply at the same plugs.
If all this tests OK the problem is in the LED units.

I recently had an issue with an upgraded LED upgrade on a lorry at work.
It was a combined park/running indicator unit.
With runnining lights on we had no indicators but OK with them off.
Turns out they had the indicator earthing via the running light circuit
A quick swap of some plugs and it's all good.
I suspect you have a blown fuse or a similar wiring issue with the LED's. Cheers,
Kyle.


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Post #612649 27th Mar 2017 8:19pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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mk1collector wrote:
Led lights only work one way so swap the live and earth over and try again

The driving lights work perfectly, first thing I did, was to replace the LED with the old bulb-lights to rule out faulty lights. However the high mounted brake light does not work either. :/
Post #612653 27th Mar 2017 8:28pm
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Alien



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If no high mount either double check the fuses.

AND welcome to Defender2.net Mr. Green Cheers,
Kyle.
Post #612657 27th Mar 2017 8:34pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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Alien wrote:
Have you tried plugging the old lights in to eliminate faulty upgraded LED's?
If your getting brake lights at your tow plug I'd be suggesting the LED's are wired wrong.
It was hard to pick up if the MOT was done after the LED upgrade was fitted or prior.

First thing I did Yeah.

This is where I'd be starting...
.Swap the old lights in and test.

Tested, no light except for the rear running light, bulbs OK.

If no brake lights with a test light or multi meter check...
-power feed to the brake light switch (I'm thinking blown fuse here)

Yup, checked and tested, both bulb and live feed (with ignition on)

-power from the brake light switch
(I see you joined these wires for testing but was there power supplied with the ignition on?)

Yeah, even took out the plug to ensure it works. Decided that a much better way would have been to just use the multimeter, with the plug in-house Smile

If you're happy power is being supplied test...
-power at the brake light plugs with the LED's disconnected, check all 3(2 side + high mount).

No power on both, havenīt checked the high mount yet

-check there is a good earth supply at the same plugs.

Have not checked this, as I assume good earh due to running lights OK (same connector)

If all this tests OK the problem is in the LED units.

As the old lights did not work either, I am at loss

I recently had an issue with an upgraded LED upgrade on a lorry at work.
It was a combined park/running indicator unit.
With runnining lights on we had no indicators but OK with them off.
Turns out they had the indicator earthing via the running light circuit
A quick swap of some plugs and it's all good.
I suspect you have a blown fuse or a similar wiring issue wit the LED's.


Thank you very much for your reply:
I have tried pretty much everything you suggest. Ref my answer in between your reply.

I am going to check again tomorrow if the earth-point behind the rear wheel is good. I could not find it today when checking. But as I have been intensely studying the wiring diagrams, I find no other logical explanations to the weird "brake light to rear wiper" signal.. I used a circuit tracer, and ended up with a signal on the green wire that goes into the rear wiper.. Though no other issues.

All lights on trailer works, indicators, running light and side marking lights... But no brake light... Shocked
Post #612660 27th Mar 2017 8:40pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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Alien wrote:
If no high mount either double check the fuses.

AND welcome to Defender2.net Mr. Green


Thank you Smile Been a lurker with a series-name.. But with my "extreme" build, I hope to be more active.
Yeah, quadruple checked (just wish I learned NOT to mount the fuse-cover each time Laughing Even checked all fuses with a multimeter to make sure. I am thinking I might be diagnosed with OCD on these darn brake thingies!
Post #612674 27th Mar 2017 8:59pm
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Alien



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Mmmm,
Fuse is OK and power to and from the switch.
Nothing at the rear plug(x2) the high mount or trailer plug.
My money is a broken wire.
Have a close look at where the trailer plug wires joins the main harnes.
It is possible the wire has broken at this join particularly if they have used scotch locks. Cheers,
Kyle.
Post #612678 27th Mar 2017 9:14pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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Norway 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Trident Green
Yeah, it may look like a broken wire, or wrong connection. I have checked the contact in the back of the rear wheel, where might I find the point where the main trailer harness breaks out from the main? It sounds like it might be there. A short would blow the fuse, but if the short somehow manage to direct its power thru to the rear wiper in this case..... uhmmm..
Post #612695 27th Mar 2017 9:36pm
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dioliahary



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I got the very same, only just upgraded LEDs to clear lens LEDs, where upon the brake light is intermittent. The tail light is good and they both use the same earth output.. I am going to check the earths tomorrow, not sure how or wher the stop and tail lights are earthed to.

Will check all light connections and take it from there.
Post #612709 27th Mar 2017 9:59pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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Hmm, have checked again with power from an external battery. Both led-"bulbs" works great, with the earth from the plug. In other words Polarity OK, bulbs or rather both functions of the LED works.
The issue is that putting power thru the brake-light-wire from the switch, activates green-wire on the rear wiper.
Not sure if something happened when I removed the old antenna-cable, and mounted the dashboard. Perhaps I stripped wires or something. I just canīt understand why power on green-purple, will divert to a solid green wire on a completely different part..
Big Cry Big Cry
Post #612905 28th Mar 2017 7:55pm
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NorseDefenderTd5



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Norway 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Trident Green
FInally stopped snowing for a while! Its nice to troubleshoot in the daylight for a change!
Got my better half, to connect the live 12-volt cable, to find out what was starting in the back when connecting power to the cable. Turns out that I chose the live-feed instead of the direct cable to the brake lights. Which means I was feeding power thru the ignition, and started the dieselpump, not the rear wiper.. Embarassed
I chose the other cable, and... Nothing!
Decided to also dismantle the high-mounted brake light to see if anything was... well.. whatever I could find that seemed out of place! Its as new inside, and probably the nicest piece of the car, absolutely spotless..
However I decided to swap the bulb with a LED bulb, and continue my search, when I notices light! Bow down
All of a sudden the Land Rover gods have found that I have suffered enough, and granted me one wish. I see light, first just a small glow, then all of a sudden light.. Now I need to test it thru the switch.. Hope its stable, then decide whether I trust its a miracle or a fluke..
For now I am : Rolling with laughter
Post #613074 29th Mar 2017 4:31pm
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