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RoddyK05



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Scotland 2004 Defender 90 Td5 SW Yellow
Rear drive flanges
So, after listening to the odd wee noise starting to develop on the 90, I thought I had better have a look under it yesterday. Obviously the bottom shocker bushes are in a shocking state and are rattling - par for the course - but I looked under the wee rubber hub caps and can see the drive flanges are well worn too. There was a post on here recently but I can't find it again. So, what do I need to buy. From a quick visual inspection the half shaft splines look ok so I'm hoping not to have to go down that route. What will I need if I only change the drive flanges, is it just them and the paper gaskets I need to buy, and is it as simple as it looks - undo drive flange bolts, remove circlip and take the drive flange off but leave the half shaft in place? Any first hand experience welcome or maybe an exploded diagram or part numbers would be ideal Thumbs Up
Many thanks, Roddy.
Post #606839 5th Mar 2017 10:01am
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geobloke



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It is pretty much as you have written it. The other things worth checking whilst you are there are brake pads and wheel bearing wear.

the manuals are pretty good for the method of doing this job, but I will add that the drive flange bolts need to be thread locked, torqued down correctly and to make getting your alloy wheels back on make sure the flat surface of the bolts are aligned with the outer curve of the flange, the corners of the bolts stick out enough to impact the alloy wheel and can damage it when replacing the wheel.
Post #606871 5th Mar 2017 11:03am
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4RF RDS



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Once the flange starts to wear and is let alone, and not addressed early, it can cause the axle to wear as well. Both the outer splines and inner at the diff. Pull them and check them.


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Post #606914 5th Mar 2017 2:49pm
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RoddyK05



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Thanks lads, exactly what I was after. Will get the bits ordered tomorrow and hopefully will have a couple less clunks by the end of the week Thumbs Up
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4RF RDS



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Parts web sites.

http://www.allbrit.de/NAV.cfm?PAGE=356171&SPRACHE=EN

http://new.lrcat.com/#!/1228 2010 Range Rover MkIII Autobiography Super Charged (Idris)
2003 Range Rover Mk III (Desmond FitzWilliam)
2000 Defender 110 CSW TD5 (CTX)
1992 Range Rover Classic (Lizzy)
1972 Series III 300 Tdi (Stanwood)
1967 MGB GT

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
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Post #606918 5th Mar 2017 3:09pm
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mk1collector



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England 2004 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Bonatti Grey
I reassemble with some grease when I put mine back together, and it may be prudent to buy in a few flange bolts just Incase as sometimes they can snap. Ray
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http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html
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agentmulder



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geobloke wrote:
It is pretty much as you have written it. The other things worth checking whilst you are there are brake pads and wheel bearing wear.

the manuals are pretty good for the method of doing this job, but I will add that the drive flange bolts need to be thread locked, torqued down correctly and to make getting your alloy wheels back on make sure the flat surface of the bolts are aligned with the outer curve of the flange, the corners of the bolts stick out enough to impact the alloy wheel and can damage it when replacing the wheel.


Interesting re. the bolt edges on alloys! But isn't aligning them to avoid that and torqueing them correctly mutually exclusive? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
Post #607049 5th Mar 2017 9:04pm
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blackwolf



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They'll only foul your alloys if you have 30mm spacers fitted. No spacers, no problem.

You can avoid future issues if you don't use threadlocker on them but use an old-school flat spring washer instead. Correctly torqued they won't come loose. Also it's cheaper to use M10 socket head cap bolts (what are often incorrectly called Allen bolts) since (a) these are the correct 10.9 grade, (b) they're cheaper than 10.9 hex bolts (especially ones in LR packets), and (c) you won't have any head clearance issues with any wheel or spacer.
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defender9



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Is drive flange gasket FRC 3988 suitable for Puma 2.2 2015 model year?
Post #607272 6th Mar 2017 6:45pm
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roel



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Netherlands 2003 Defender 90 Td5 PU Caledonian Blue
For the rear there are also one piece driveshafts with the flanges together. One thing less that develops play. Roel

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Post #607278 6th Mar 2017 7:00pm
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Disco_Mikey



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Scotland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green
Just ordered a set of them for mine today Thumbs Up
Post #607318 6th Mar 2017 8:56pm
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RoddyK05



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Got the new drive flanges and shocker bushes fitted today. In the end up I put it into my local garage as I need the car for a wee distance run at the weekend and I was running out of time and daylight to do it myself. What an amazing difference. I had thought that the A frame ball joint was away too as I was getting quite a clunk changing gear, but no, it's back to normal with the new drive flanges. Coupled with the new shocker bushes it feels very civilised again.
I had a look at one of the old flanges, the wear was very bad on one, almost stripped of splines so I think I was very lucky with this. I might even keep a spare set of flanges in my spares box so I can do it again without delay when it wears next time. Also as it's due it's MOT next month I got them to give it a once over incase there was anything needing done prior to that, but it got a clean bill of health.
I will keep in mind the one piece half shaft/drive flange items that Disco Mikey has said he stocks in another posting, I'll see how long the drive flanges last and make a call on it then.
Post #608249 9th Mar 2017 10:37pm
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defender9



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Are the rear drive flanges failing prematurely? I had my 07 Puma 110 for 8 years and never had a problem with them, ok it was mainly road use with only light towing. Are the later ones performing worse than previous ones? I have a 2.2 Puma which again is road use and light towing only. I have looked at the various heavy duty drive flanges on offer from the likes of Ashcroft, Bearmach and others, but reluctant to spend a couple of hundred pounds on something that I am unlikely to need. I intend to lubricate the ones I have on at the moment as it seems a sensible thing to do reading various posts.
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
My 07 DC suffered the first rear drive flange failure (original factory-fit halfshafts) at about 60k miles, the second (genuine Landrover halfshafts and flanges) at aound 110k miles, after which I fitted Ashcroft HD shafts and flanges along with an ATB in the rear. The vehicle is now at just over 206k miles, and there is quite a lot of slop in the flanges.

Next time I will fit the current-spec one-piece shafts.

It is (touch wood) still on the original output adaptor shaft, and when I fitted the last new clutch at 150k miles this was in better condition and a better fit than the brand new replacement parts I bought just in case!


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Post #611120 21st Mar 2017 1:59pm
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defender9



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Thanks Blackwolf that's very useful information. I think I will stick with the original factory drive flanges for now and see how they go.
Post #611124 21st Mar 2017 2:24pm
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