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Hendrix



Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: North Notts
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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black
Washer jets
On my old 300 Defender I uprated my windscreen washers by fitting two sets of jets using the LHD wiper holes. Not had dash off my TDCI yet (under warranty till next month) any reason I cant do the same again?
Post #579654 22nd Nov 2016 1:56pm
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defender9



Member Since: 12 Mar 2016
Location: Fylde Coast
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Considering the type of duty a working defender is expected to due the screen washers are pathetic. Could do with something more powerful factory fitted.
Post #579679 22nd Nov 2016 3:51pm
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Stacey007



Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
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I've thought about this as your right the one jet each side it poor...


Is it a dashboard out job to get to them?
Post #579685 22nd Nov 2016 4:21pm
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Thon



Member Since: 22 Nov 2015
Location: Salisbury Plain
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Apparently on a Puma it is a dash-out job to replace the whole jet and body, but if you are very lucky apparently you can split the fixed part from the outer "jet" part with the application of hot water and a thin blade as it is a 2 piece assembly.

Mine has gradually dwindled to nothing so in a fit of desperation I tried to separate them and succeeded in undoing the securing nut so that the whole assembly is now loose. Bizarrely though, it now has a strong jet and I have been told that the pipe behind is twisted from the factory which restricts flow. I was advised that it was a dash-out job to tighten the nut up again and ended up jamming some plastic washers in between it and the bulkhead to secure it.
Post #579686 22nd Nov 2016 4:30pm
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custom90



Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
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Would it not be possible to change the pump?
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Post #579690 22nd Nov 2016 4:49pm
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Retroanaconda



Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
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Put two jets on, in the LHD wiper holes as suggested, that way there is plenty of fluid going where you need it. And you actually use less because you don't have to hold down the stalk in the vain hope that the air turbulence will blow the water where you need it.

Alternatively I read somewhere about someone putting heated Discovery 3 jets in the bonnet.

You can upgrade the pump for one from a headlamp washer but I can't see why you'd need to once two jets are on - power or volume of fluid is not the problem, placement of the fluid is.
Post #579693 22nd Nov 2016 5:30pm
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macfrank



Member Since: 05 Nov 2015
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Germany 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
As an additional/alternative measure some guys over here have replaced a non-return valve with a different one (Pierburg 7.20235.01 or similar, about 3 - 8). It seems the smaller diameter results is a higher water pressure. It's on my to do list.
Post #579884 23rd Nov 2016 6:04pm
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AlanH



Member Since: 15 Mar 2010
Location: WA
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Australia 
This is one of those little things which have constantly bugged me about the Defender. Horrid set-up which hasn't changed since the year dot.
Wipers start far too early when you want to clean the screen, ideal would be for some water to be on it before the wipers start going. I've worn out heaps of them as here in Oz we suffer more than most places. Dust is abrasive and kills machinery let alone wiper blades.
Soon be all in the past though as I've bought a new poverty pack Disco and things seem just a tad more modern with leather seats etc. and aircon that actually works.... Laughing
One more off road trip along the south coast of WA and then the beast is gone.
Cook is not impressed but then she doesn't drive the thing. Very Happy
So in Jan it'll be farewell fellow sufferers and I'll start practising my regal wave ........
AlanH.
Post #580064 24th Nov 2016 10:21am
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Alien



Member Since: 18 Jan 2015
Location: Bacchus Marsh
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Australia 
Alen,
I removed 1 wire from the rear of the wiper relay plug to remove the swipe function from the washer switch.
Cheaper than buying a replacement vehicle Whistle Cheers,
Kyle.
Post #580086 24th Nov 2016 12:32pm
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apt100



Member Since: 05 Mar 2015
Location: Derbyshire
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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Also for info... the "99" relay mod allows a short squirt of water without activating the wipers. With a bit of practice you can get the hang of doing as many squirts as you like first before letting the wipers activate Thumbs Up
Post #580178 24th Nov 2016 8:48pm
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HardCharger



Member Since: 03 Mar 2013
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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Please remind me what the "99" relay mod is again? Is the one where you use a VW relay or something? I'm not too happy with the swipe first, washer fluid later bit as well but ain't no way I'm getting rid of the Defender... Mr. Green
Post #580289 25th Nov 2016 2:17am
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apt100



Member Since: 05 Mar 2015
Location: Derbyshire
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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
^^ yes that's it. I think the original VW relay has 99 marked on it.

One option is to buy new if you want some warranty etc http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/defender-programmable-wiper-relay.html
it is more expensive than a scrapyard etc but is still probably the best "bang per buck" mod there is Thumbs Up
Post #580292 25th Nov 2016 4:06am
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ericvv



Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
HardCharger wrote:
Please remind me what the "99" relay mod is again? Is the one where you use a VW relay or something? I'm not too happy with the swipe first, washer fluid later bit as well but ain't no way I'm getting rid of the Defender... Mr. Green


All you need to know is in below thread. Also for the rear wiper intermittent function.
Interesting to read through these old threads, shows how many once enthusiastic members apparently have moved on. Sad You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw
Post #580296 25th Nov 2016 5:47am
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Tdi4



Member Since: 24 Oct 2014
Location: Houten
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Netherlands 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey
Earlier this year I did the mod. And no, you don't have to take the whole dashboard out but it's fiddly. But that's the easy part Wink To use the holes in the bulkhead i've designed (3d drawed and printed) rings (an egg with flat sides) with a 9 mm hole, to fit in the awkward hole so everything is and stays solid again. I've also installed a headshot so the water is warmed. In the summer for the bugs and in the winter for the cold. In combination with my heated front windshield i've got a good and working solution like all the other cars you see driving around you.

https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...G_1367.jpg

Cheers Jack

ps did the 99 mod as well
Post #580432 25th Nov 2016 4:57pm
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Retroanaconda



Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
Location: Scotland
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Scotland 
Here's mine with the double jets:


Click image to enlarge


And a video of operation:



Jets on the bonnet would be better still, as some of the water hits the wiper arm in certain positions with this setup, however I have found that in practice this is not a problem as the water simple bounces off the arm and hits the screen anyway.
Post #580557 26th Nov 2016 10:54am
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