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| DonH2000 Member Since: 12 Jan 2015 Location: North Kent Posts: 551   
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Well put "DavidT". You can add the BBC and the Polling Companies to the list too: they think only the uneducated voted for Brexit and Trump. This is not true. The left wing liberal elite that have had it so good lining their pockets for the last 20 years and are spouting this sort of rubbish to explain what has happened. And what "fumiyasu" says shows otherwise too. Sometimes you just have to accept that you side lost in a democracy and not be like poor Lilly Allen, Miley Cirus, Cher and Madonna who are protesting at the results. On the subject of Lilly Allen, how many migrants has she put up in her house yet???? Oh, none. Cheers Don. |
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10th Nov 2016 12:51pm |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897  
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10th Nov 2016 1:59pm |
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| CDN38 Member Since: 14 Nov 2014 Location: Courtenay, BC Posts: 729  
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Living next door to all this has been interesting. It's kind of sad that most Canadians have taken more interest in the US election than they ever would in any domestic election. However, that's the price you pay for being their neighbour. We have far more US television channels and media outlets than Canadian ones, so we are heavily influenced by them. The results of their election will have an effect on this country, but no where near the direct effects of our own government.
It's been clear from the start that the US media has been favouring/pushing for the Clinton campaign, which has also influenced a lot of people here. I think it's quite ignorant that many Canadians are on the "hate Trump" bandwagon. Their political opinions based on slanted media reports, and Facebook posts. It's the internet people!! Do people really think that everything posted on Facebook and twitter is real??!! OMG!! Today's media is not neutral reporting, it's incredibly biased. NEWS, has become entertainment, and ENTERTAINMENT, has become news. Both of which represent billions of dollars, it's big business. Politics has entered the realm of entertainment in the last 30 years, it did so once campaigns became not about what the politicians would do if elected, but smear campaigns, exposing (or fabricating) inappropriate actions, and then dragging the opponent through the mud. The biggest "stories" of these latest campaigns are Clintons "emails", and Trumps, "locker room talk". The public eats it up as it's reported like something from a a gossip rag... it becomes the most important thing to base your vote on, and nobody remembers anything about what either candidate stood for. In my opinion (because everyone is allowed one) the US election wasn't a vote for Trump, but a vote for change, a vote against Clinton, and the establishment. A vote to bring in a different perspective and different ideas. Rarely is change on a national level brought in without controversy or emotional reaction, and this case is no different. If Clinton would have won, would we be seeing mass protests and near riots in the streets of New York, Chicago, and LA? I would think not. The establishment is, and will be fighting change every way they can, but they lost the most important fight, the vote. it's a Landrover thing... my renovation thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic40792.html |
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10th Nov 2016 7:37pm |
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| David T Member Since: 01 Sep 2016 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 190 
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10th Nov 2016 7:58pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109 
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Nicely put I reckon it was a protest vote just like Brexit was here folk have had enough of the political crap that comes out time for a change all round |
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10th Nov 2016 8:06pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19560
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^^^^ That's it in a nutshell. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧
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10th Nov 2016 8:59pm |
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| Tiger Member Since: 06 Jul 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 2265 
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He may not be the best person, but just like Brexit he offered something that Hilary did not, he promised 'Change', Hilary did not offer any real change, more politics, more bankers, more spin.
The remain for Brexit campaign only offered 'fear of change' and then more of the same. I might not agree with either at their core but it's hard to ignore the deep seated unhappiness in the world and a desire for something different even if different is horrible. I'm not sure people know what different is yet but it shows they'd rather risk turmoil and get some change than the keep the status quo. As the rich get richer and the poor get, in real terms, poorer the western working class world is not a happy place. |
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10th Nov 2016 9:09pm |
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| JJ Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Winchester Posts: 932 
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Oh the irony...
Good to see Trump standing up for the common man 
The comparison with Brexit is very real, rhetoric wins over substance. HR064 Hampshire and Berkshire 4x4 Response |
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10th Nov 2016 9:42pm |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 625  
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I know some of the other nations are no where near our 2%. I see the Trump administration expecting a good amount more than that from us in the future. Maybe the MoD can sell him the five golf courses they have no decided are surplus to requirements. 1995 Defender 110 CSW 1971 SIIA Lightweight |
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10th Nov 2016 10:14pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3753  
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Well said CDN.
Pickles. |
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10th Nov 2016 10:19pm |
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| Muddybigdog Member Since: 11 Apr 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 991 
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http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/
As data geek, very good data what actually happened in the US, Clinton actually received more votes than Trump, Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200 Puma 90 XS - Sold D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold) Freelander 2 HSE - Sold Freelander 1 - Sold Disco 2 - Sold |
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10th Nov 2016 11:01pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19560
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^^^^ Wasn't that similar to the UK 2015 GE? Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧
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10th Nov 2016 11:17pm |
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| fumiyasu Member Since: 19 Jun 2015 Location: Oxon Posts: 99  
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It interesting you see the young vs old divide there again like the brexit, although less so in the US. Probably generalising but I do think there is definitely a bit of rejection of globalisation in this all and there is a different attitude to it with younger generations. I do think more younger people now think of how to be individually successful in the world now than worry about how their home nation is doing. If that is true then I think it's a good thing because focusing on nation building is only going to increase global inequality which ultimately increase conflicts (I take a zero sum game view of the world). I know some people laugh at the concept of "global citizens" call it naive but I do sometimes feel weird that after so many years, we are still spending so much more on military than say, research for cancer or research on how we can get along better together or even education... I do wonder if they would change their mind when they get older or if this would be an attitude change in the general public 20 years later... What is more interesting is that there are more Hispanic voting for Trump than the last republican candidate despite Trump's wall and everything.... |
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11th Nov 2016 9:40am |
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| defender4 Member Since: 22 Jun 2011 Location: South East London Posts: 411 
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Apologies if someone has said this before but it is interesting to note that on the Trump website the link to the page carrying his statement calling for Muslims to be banned from entering the USA, which was available on the morning of the election had disappeared by later that night.
Simple strategy, say what you think people want to hear during the campaign, whip them up, get the votes, and then abandon what you have promised. Isn't that a bit like all those establishment/elite politicians that voters were encouraged to vote against? |
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11th Nov 2016 12:20pm |
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