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lambert.the.farmer



Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: harrogate
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England 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi PU Rutland Red
Camping trailer vs solo?
Hi , I have a bit of an odd question, which is going to be more economical; solo loaded to the roof and quite close to weight or empty ish save the edc and passenger, towing a little covered lightweight trailer? This is in broad terms and at a Jimny scale but it's the principles I'm interested in? Obviously coupled one travels at reduced speed which is good for the consumption but one is also running for longer which isn't ? I do do a lot of towing with the car but it is not really a valid comparison having a maximum train weight trailer behind for a short time against a long run with a very light trailer on. To give an idea of the proposed arrangements I'm thinking something akin to a 4x3 like halfords sell but not one of those as they are way too much money for what you get, think more like a medium sized roof box on a bike transporter chassis sort of thing, small, light and aerodynamic. The other compounding issue of course is that realistically I am only one really necessary but utterly superfluous piece of camping gubbins away from having to have a trailer on the grounds of available space anyway, but the economy aspect can be an added point of leverage either to get less junk or go the extra mile. Help? Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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rleslie



Member Since: 10 May 2012
Location: Ellon, Aberdeenshire
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Scotland 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Epsom Green
In the past when both kids came on holiday with us we always took a trailer camping and on holiday in the UK to carry bikes, canoes, boards etc, but this year with only 1 child we managed to take everything in the Landy and have no trailer.

I found it harder to pack, to fit everything into the Landy, everything had to be packed the same way, but we could cruise at 70/80 mph on the motorways which was a bonus. Also not having a trailer was easier when parking in cities and some camp sites would make us park either the trailer or Landy in a separate car park. So we did not have that hassle either this year.

When we took the trailer it was great when packing.... if we thought we might use it...we packed it.. with no trailer every item had to earn its keep.....

Horses for courses..... everyone on here will tell you something different. You will need to try both and see what you like the best!

cheers Richard
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Cold_n_Wet



Member Since: 15 Oct 2012
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On a long run to Germany with a Defender 110 with roof rack and 1 ton of trailer I got average 1,6 litres pr 100 km, on the same run without trailler but with RTT (James Baroud) I got 1,5 litres pr 100 kilometers.

Without the trailer I was cruising 120 - 130 km/h with trailer 95 km/h.

The Defender is on MT\s both runs.

HTH
Glen "Rafiki" 2007 110 STW - Rolling rebuild.
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LandRoverAnorak



Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
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With a very small trailer, you're likely to see better economy because of the speed restriction that comes with it. It may be different with a bigger trailer but at that small end of the scale the drag will have barely any effect on fuel consumption at 60mph.

On the other hand, a fully loaded vehicle (with roof box?) at 70-ish mph will be working harder. Darren

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Post #555223 11th Aug 2016 7:48am
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lambert.the.farmer



Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
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It's the working harder hence using more fuel that is what I'm wanting to avoid if I can. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
Post #555347 11th Aug 2016 4:13pm
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miker



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I wouldn't worry about running for longer at lower speeds. Just not enough of an issue to worry about.

Due to the complexities of aerodynamics etc, it's something you can only really find out by experimentation.
Post #555349 11th Aug 2016 4:17pm
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VeeTee



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Cold_n_Wet wrote:
On a long run to Germany with a Defender 110 with roof rack and 1 ton of trailer I got average 1,6 litres pr 100 km, on the same run without trailler but with RTT (James Baroud) I got 1,5 litres pr 100 kilometers.


Question Dou you mean gallon or litres? If litres, can I buy your Defender Wink Cheers, Vincent
1959 Polynorm 1/4 Ton Trailer, Olive Drab Green (sold)
1970 M416 Military Trailer (Camping Trailer Conversion), Epsom Green (sold)
1975 Series III 88 V6, Light Green (sadly sold)
1996 Defender 110 CSW 300 Tdi, Epsom Green (sold)
2000 Freelander 1 TD4 3-drs, Silver (sold)
2006 Freelander 1 TD4 5-drs Facelift Automatic, Tonga Green (sold)

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lambert.the.farmer



Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
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^^^ I was thinking that too! Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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Cold_n_Wet



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Embarassed Embarassed decimal point error 1,6 pr 10 kilometers...

its not that good on fuel "Rafiki" 2007 110 STW - Rolling rebuild.
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VeeTee



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^ Hmm, indeed that is not very good on fuel, only 6.25 km per liter..?
My 20 yr old 300 Tdi does about 10.45 km per liter, average commuting traffic, and that is with roofrack and 265 AT tyres.
With trailer at max 90 km/hr it is just a lttle bit less but not much... Cheers, Vincent
1959 Polynorm 1/4 Ton Trailer, Olive Drab Green (sold)
1970 M416 Military Trailer (Camping Trailer Conversion), Epsom Green (sold)
1975 Series III 88 V6, Light Green (sadly sold)
1996 Defender 110 CSW 300 Tdi, Epsom Green (sold)
2000 Freelander 1 TD4 3-drs, Silver (sold)
2006 Freelander 1 TD4 5-drs Facelift Automatic, Tonga Green (sold)

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Post #555659 12th Aug 2016 9:25pm
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Cold_n_Wet



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Its about the same consumption running in deep sand in Botswana.

The autobahn is not friendly friendly on this puma.

Sad Sad "Rafiki" 2007 110 STW - Rolling rebuild.
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lambert.the.farmer



Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
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England 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi PU Rutland Red
I get to have a better idea on what to expect today as I'm off to west Anglesey to collect a replacement for the Sankey so a decent run with an empty trailer should give me a sort of baseline against running solo. Will be interesting to see what the difference in fuel consumption actually is. Is that nutter still in charge of the speed cameras in North Wales or have they caught up with the rest of the world? Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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lambert.the.farmer



Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: harrogate
Posts: 2006
England 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi PU Rutland Red
That was a waste of time and fuel, get to the place expecting some sort of converted barn type arrangements with a load of trailers on display not some quarter arssed operation out of the back of a car. Then there was the trailer, defective lighting, tyres, brakes and wheel bearings. Not what I was expecting from the phone call and pictures on ebay. Then when I point out the defects and chip the price to reflect the additional work needed I get abuse. Nah sorry mate, I am from Yorkshire, I know what I am looking at and it ain't what you described. Keep it and your attitude. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
Post #556109 15th Aug 2016 5:22am
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