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CRJ



Member Since: 12 Mar 2011
Location: Sealand - Denmark
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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
Another temperature problem
Hi.
My 90 200 tdi have temp issues when going above 50 mph - it creeps pretty fast up in the red!
Shortly after I bought it the head gasket blew -changed it - but temp behaved as before. When i do 50 in fourth it will go very fast towards the red!
At first i flushed radiator and all - no change. In despair i drilled a 6 mm hole in the termostat - it stopped getting warm - warm at all …..
Just this evening i changed radiator, water pump and thermostat (88 C) - and did a test-drive …still the same.. driving carefully up to and around 50 mph temp is normal - pushing it it will go fast towards red…
It uses little oil and no water - or just a little bit thrown out of the expansion cap..! i am Big Cry
Regards
Christian 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474953 21st Nov 2015 10:29pm
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Alex1976



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Could be an airlock. Have you bled the system thoroughly? This could be pressurising the expansion tank and stopping the coolant circulating properly.
Post #474957 21st Nov 2015 10:35pm
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CRJ



Member Since: 12 Mar 2011
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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
I think I did … but never been around a 200 tdi before. I took the plug of the radiator - filled until it ran out and put it on - worked a bit on the pipes and then I drove off !
Is it very difficult to get rid of air in the 200 ?
Forgot to mention it was the expansion tank I filled
Chr 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003


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Post #474958 21st Nov 2015 10:39pm
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Retroanaconda



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Ive never needed to bleed a 200Tdi beyond what you have described. If the heater pipes are getting hot and top rad hose does the same once the 'stat opens I wouldn't worry about that. It shouldn't chuck anything out of the expansion tank though.

Was the thermostat a genuine part?
Post #474959 21st Nov 2015 10:40pm
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CRJ



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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
no the termostat was a britpart… but it was not the one whit a ball!! it had the small vent looking like a rivet 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474961 21st Nov 2015 10:42pm
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CRJ



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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
and along whit the head gasket I also had the viscious…something…. changed 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474963 21st Nov 2015 10:44pm
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Triggerfinger



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Viscous coupling Wink

Did you fit a new radiator cap of just fire the old one back on?
It maintains a fixed pressure in the cooling system, and if does not do so it will lower the boiling point of the coolant causing it to boil and through it out the overflow.

Check the heater for a blockage or by bass it by joining the heater hoses together rules out the heater matrix
(or disconnect & put a hose it) Do it right Do it once !!!!!
Post #474968 21st Nov 2015 10:58pm
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Mo Murphy



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United Kingdom 1984 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Pennine Grey
Christian, is your land rover originally a 200 Tdi or has it been converted perhaps using a Discovery engine.
I know the gauge is going into the red but is the engine actually overheating ? How does the overheating manifest itself other than by the gauge ?
Are the gauge and sender of the correct type ? They must be of the correct type as different senders from different engines will give erroneous readings on one gauge.
It is quite common that people don't change the temperature sender when they fit a Discovery Tdi engine in a vehicle with an older engine. It is not compatible with the older gauge and will read erroneously high, hence my questions regarding how you know that is overheating.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.
Post #474972 21st Nov 2015 11:04pm
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CRJ



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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
I did not change the cap on the expansion - but if that was faulty does that explain the temp in the red? I will try bypassing the heater - although it works pretty good … at least for a Land Rover… 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474974 21st Nov 2015 11:07pm
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CRJ



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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
I have not checked if it is a 200 originally - but think it is strange that it stays at "normal" tmp. when going steady at 50 but when pushing it, it goes in the red..
But to rule it out I will get a new sender - guess that would be the cheapest part so far … 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474975 21st Nov 2015 11:11pm
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Triggerfinger



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Mo Murphy wrote:
Christian, is your land rover originally a 200 Tdi or has it been converted perhaps using a Discovery engine.
I know the gauge is going into the red but is the engine actually overheating ? How does the overheating manifest itself other than by the gauge ?
Are the gauge and sender of the correct type ? They must be of the correct type as different senders from different engines will give erroneous readings on one gauge.
It is quite common that people don't change the temperature sender when they fit a Discovery Tdi engine in a vehicle with an older engine. It is not compatible with the older gauge and will read erroneously high, hence my questions regarding how you know that is overheating.
Mo



We had the same issue with a series conversion a few months ago I used a infrared thermometer to diagnose the fault
very cheap to buy might be worth investing in one Wink Do it right Do it once !!!!!
Post #474978 21st Nov 2015 11:19pm
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shaggydog



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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue
Check your earth straps from engine to chassis and gearbox to chassis

Check you have the correct sender for your engine - If your turbo is up high next to the rocker cover it is a proper defender 200Tdi, if instead there is a big chamber and the turbo is down underneath then it is a discovery 200tdi. If it is a discovery engine then the sender may not be matched - similarly if it is a discovery sender in a defender engine it wont help matters.

When the engine is hot and running do you get any bubbling in the header tank? It should be pressurised but if it is over pressurising then it would suggest a head gasket leak/cracked head. Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197

Self confessed mileage hunter Very Happy
Post #474981 21st Nov 2015 11:27pm
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CRJ



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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
Thanks a lot for replies Thumbs Up I have a few things to do tomorrow - it is a proper 200 tdi when looking at the turbo…
Regards
Christian 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474983 21st Nov 2015 11:33pm
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Triggerfinger



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Another way to check for head gasket problem is leave the vehicle overnight to cool.
In the morning remove the radiator cap & start engine & check for air bubbles in the radiator. Wink Do it right Do it once !!!!!
Post #474984 21st Nov 2015 11:34pm
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CRJ



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Denmark 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi ST Alpine White
I have tried that - no bubbles at all. Have also pressure tested the system - nothing there. Been thinking about putting the front against a very solid wall - then having someone checking for bubbles when the engine is pushed a bit.. 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold
Puma 130 - 08- sold
90 200tdi 1991 - sold
88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI
110 CC 2003
Post #474986 21st Nov 2015 11:37pm
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