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grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
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Auto dipping rear view mirror

Hello all!

I have just bought a bargain of eBay, £4.99 for an auto dimming mirror off a Range Rover classic, they're about £90 buy it now

Anyway it's here in front of me and I'm trying to find out which pins do what for the power connector. There are 6 pins and from the only picture I can find online, only the right hand 3 are used. Can anyone give me any pointers?

Thanks in advance

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21st Aug 2015 11:09am

PaulMc

Member Since: 17 Jan 2009
Location: Kent
Posts: 488

Could you post up a picture of the connector it's using

As, the only Range Rover Classic manuals that I have, show the dipping mirror using a 3-way Econoseal connector.

Regardless of connector type, the 3 x connections will be -

Ignition-switched live

Earth

Reversing lights circuit

. Paul.
1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'

21st Aug 2015 11:24am

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

I had worked out the three circuits, on the pictures there looks to be a link wire from the mirror to the econoseal connector

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1990 Vogue SE
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21st Aug 2015 11:28am

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

Ok quick update, I took the mirror apart to look at the circuit board. I've worked out that from right to left it is reverse, ground and ignition, which is good! My next two questions are;
1. What type of connector is it?
2. The next three pins on the board say DR, BAT and CAD. Anybody got any ideas?

I'm guessing DR is a live feed from the interior lights so the map lights come on with the courtosey lights? And maybe BAT is a permanent live so the map lights always work instead of just with the ignition?

Again any input would be most appreciated

21st Aug 2015 12:46pm

PaulMc

Member Since: 17 Jan 2009
Location: Kent
Posts: 488

The mirror should have a link harness from the mirror to a 3-way male Econoseal connector, which connects to the 3-way female Econoseal connector on the Range Rover's harness.

I believe that the link harness you need, is PRC8560

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Land-Rover-Range-R...1549637658

Click image to enlarge

However, PRC8560 is ridiculously expensive from Land Rover - http://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/8999...g_assy_rrc

I believe that the connector on the mirror, is a JST VH 3.96mm N type 6-way connector -

Documentation = http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/pdf/eng/eVH.pdf

These can be bought from RS

6-way female housing -

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-connector-housings/7620746/

Female terminal (to fit 0.5 - 1.25mm² cable) -

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-connector-contacts/7620692/

You have to buy 5 x connector housings, and 100 x terminals (and a pair of 3-way male/female Econoseal connnectors) - but, this still works-out a lot less than buying Land Rover's link harness.

.

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Paul.
1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'

21st Aug 2015 4:07pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

Briliant! thanks paul

I struggled to get a picture of the correct mirror, let alone the link wire!

i have a number of kaput computers at home, i'll have a look to see if there is one of those connectors on there

21st Aug 2015 6:41pm

PaulMc

Member Since: 17 Jan 2009
Location: Kent
Posts: 488

JST VH connectors are computer connectors - so, you may be lucky and find one in an old computer.

Several connector manufacturers make 3.96mm pitch PCB connectors, which are largely interchangeable.

However, there are differences in the way that they latch.

. Paul.
1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'

21st Aug 2015 6:48pm

mk1collector

Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 6769

There's a wiring link on the bay for £25 if it helps
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-CLAS...33a669bd5f Ray
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21st Aug 2015 6:52pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

great! thanks guys

21st Aug 2015 7:08pm

Martin
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Location: Hook Norton
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2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Which clearly shows only 3 pins of the 6 used if nothing else

I personally wouldn't bother with the pair of Econoseal connectors, it just adds bulk and complexity. As you're making a loom, it can be continuous to the 6 way connector.

The terminals are also available from CPC with a minimum order of 10, except they are for 0.33-0.83mm^2 cable. 0.5mm^2 cable is still plenty to power the mirror

http://cpc.farnell.com/jst-japan-solderles...dp/CN18498

If you don't want the faff, RS do a kit for a single connector (and a 3 way housing):

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-supply-accessories/0381845/

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

21st Aug 2015 7:48pm

Martin
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Location: Hook Norton
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Ignore all some of the above, I have just checked Farnell who are doing free delivery on any size order again...

Terminals (min order 5) @ 5.4p ea +VAT

http://uk.farnell.com/jst-japan-solderless...dp/2399434

Housing (min order 1) @ 14.8p ea +VAT

http://uk.farnell.com/jst-japan-solderless...dp/2399220

Just over 50p inc VAT for the connector, bargain

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

21st Aug 2015 7:52pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

I've had one fitted to my 110 for a while now, if you can wait till Sunday I can tell you the pins and power

Did you get map lights too?

21st Aug 2015 9:31pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

You may consider the BMW mirror

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic16916....dim+mirror Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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21st Aug 2015 10:34pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

Thanks bpman, that would be good. I did get the map lights too. I'm hoping to work out what the other three pins do. I'm convinced that the one marked DR is live from the interior lights to use the map lights as courtosey lights as well.

I want as much functionality from my £4.99 as possible!

21st Aug 2015 11:02pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

Thanks dgardel I've already bought the Range Rover one. Although you never know I might end up using a different one if I can't get this one going! 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
1990 Vogue SE
Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200
Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html
Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html
RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html
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21st Aug 2015 11:04pm

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