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| YOLO110 Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Perth Oz and Stansted UK Posts: 1633  
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Hi Guys!
Help! Today I did about 3 miles all in low range (L) open diffs with NO issues. I then went back onto the black top and having reselected high range (H) and started my drive home. I must have done at least 5 miles when I changed down to 2nd gear for a corner, let the clutch out and NOTHING! Lost all drive! 
Initially, I thought of the recent transfer gear thread. But I checked all gears were in place and after depressing the clutch, managed to move the H/L lever back into H... 'crunching' noises and clunk! But it went back in and drive was restored! It was obvious that somehow it had jumped out of H on the corner. I don't know why? Given I had done at last 5 miles, surely this could not have been a partial engagement between H and L... is that possible? Any thoughts please! Has anyone here experienced something similar? I was very surprised! All worked well afterwards too! 
Cheers, Pete  YOLO... You Only Live Once... |
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27th Jun 2015 1:00pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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quite possible it was not in hi properly
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27th Jun 2015 1:26pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471  
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Yes I have in more than one Defender over the years and in fact and Caterham brought up one of my posts regarding it just recently ...check out his long running [aren't they all] hi/lo revs switch conjecture thread somewhere in this section.
The phenomenon isn't uncommon and it's not indicative of a fault. Especially on a new or nearly new vehicle you need to ensure the range lever is fully engaged, it may feel like it is but it's worth taking that little bit of extra time to do something like putting the vehicle into 1st and reverse and gently letting the clutch in and out while putting a bit of pressure on the range lever until you feel it go all the way over and fully engaged in the detent. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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27th Jun 2015 1:46pm |
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| YOLO110 Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Perth Oz and Stansted UK Posts: 1633
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Yes, I did that... this is why I am quite confused.
The H/L lever went all the way into 'H'.. well as far as physically possible! AND I had driven at least 5 miles using from 2-6th! So the 2nd gear selection that the led to no drive was a big surprise! What goes on here? What 'holds' the selector forks into H or L? How can it be '1/2' way? How we be certain it engages 100% in either H or L ? I thought I understood and had mechanical knowledge about the '1/2 way scenario'... hence this post! YOLO... You Only Live Once... |
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27th Jun 2015 1:59pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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The last time this happened to me [and only time in current Defender] was after I'd used low box a day or three before. TBH I'd noticed a bit more play in the transmission leading up the point where I was when pulling out of a junction in 1st pretty smartish, just before changing into 2nd there was a bang and loss of drive, I just knew the range lever had shifted so pulled it over and snicked it back into gear.
I've had it happen before in other Defender and in the new ones I've just put it down to newness making things stiff. If you sit in the vehicle you'll find it's possible to get drive and get the feeling the lever is 'home' but ease off the power and you might find it will ease over a bit further into the detent. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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27th Jun 2015 7:55pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1568
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That's happened to me, right from an old series to present day. Doesn't seem to happen if you change from low to high on the move.
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27th Jun 2015 8:21pm |
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| YOLO110 Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Perth Oz and Stansted UK Posts: 1633
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Thanks for the replies guys!
Interesting. YOLO... You Only Live Once... |
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28th Jun 2015 2:24am |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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Mine's done that too
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28th Jun 2015 11:33am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2089 
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Although the transfer box will happily go back into high box on the move with the correct technique, if you are ''relatively'' inexperienced with the LT230 I would suggest that when reengaging high box that you stop, move the lever back to high, engage 1st gear and start lifting the clutch pedal whilst holding the high/low lever back. 9 times out of 10 you will feel it move back a little further and clunk a little as it engages fully. Thus avoiding those embarrassing little moments of lost drive as high box wasn't fully engaged 😂
HTH Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. |
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28th Jun 2015 12:21pm |
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| g-mack Member Since: 07 Jan 2014 Location: northumberland Posts: 1967
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I had this in a disco 2, got so bad I had to use a bunji cord around headrest then tight down to lever just to hold it in. Never jumped out in low range! Ended up swapping t box! Problem solved
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28th Jun 2015 12:30pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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"Inexperienced" ....little old me?   But what you've described Mo is pretty much what I generally do and similar my post above but , as you say they will generally ease in just that bit further. Had the same with Series boxes too but generally found the engagement to be more positive which isn't surprising given the differences between them. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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28th Jun 2015 2:41pm |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2089
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It wasn't aimed at you Steve, we all know you're an old git 😉 but those who are relatively new to Defenders and/or using low box. 😊
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. |
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29th Jun 2015 11:47am |
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| YOLO110 Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Perth Oz and Stansted UK Posts: 1633
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Mo...
Just curious why you say that you are aiming this at 'those new to Defenders'? I (as another 'old git'!) actually learnt to drive in a Series 2 on a farm..., not to mention many years driving multi geared Tractors! So I have lots of experience driving high, low and even 'mid range' geared vehicles. Experience was not my issue here... well not quite true, little experience with the Defender 'Puma'! But, it just seemed very odd that the jump out of all drive would happen so many miles after reselecting high range? That was my query...  Given all the chat on here about 'loss of drive' issues, I guess I was questioning more a possible mechanical reason rather than a possible 'driver error'.
But it's good to get some feedback on idiosyncrasies of the Puma anyway! The more the better! YOLO... You Only Live Once... |
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29th Jun 2015 12:18pm |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2089
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Yolo,
My, we are all a bit touchy today ! Must be the heat 😉 It's a piece of useful information aimed at new Defender drivers (those who have recently bought a new Defender, not having owned one before) and/or those who are not wholly familiar with high and low box operation (those who may have owned one for a while but haven't ventured into terrain requiring low box). If you are either of these, it's nothing to be ashamed of, we all start somewhere. If you are neither of these, then you probably already knew the above. The point is that for many coming into Defender ownership, it's a retro techno step. Move a lever in a modern car and it does a job. Move a lever in a Defender and it sometimes does a job, requiring coaxing when it doesn't. Learning tips and tricks smoothes the coaxing, avoids the frustration, the anger and the embarrassment (we're men after all ). Surely that can only be a good thing ? So relax, you're an old hand at this land rovering lark, accept that others may not have your knowledge and be happy to pass it on. Mo 😊 The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. |
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29th Jun 2015 8:35pm |
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