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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765   
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Thanks Pob,
Does anyone have any idea/views on whether this interim DIY service would be a good a good time to swap to a K&N filter? As a biker, obviously this a quick a popular upgrade, but I have no idea what (if any) difference it would make to a Defender. To help with advice/answers I drive a 2011 110 SW, 2.2 Puma, entirely unmodified, with approx 55k on the clock. Had last oil-change/service under warranty in Nov 2014. Ta  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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27th Mar 2015 12:06pm |
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| pob1968 Member Since: 20 Apr 2014 Location: uk Posts: 239 |
Hi, I am always a bit wary of K&N's as there is the other logic that they can pass some dirt through if not cleaned and oiled regularly. With engines the cleaner the oil, fuel and air are the better as you know. I think I would stick to genuine filters but change more often. 110 Hardtop
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27th Mar 2015 12:22pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765
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Thanks POB, makes sense...
Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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27th Mar 2015 12:29pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Does this suggest that the cause of the pump failing is known? If so what is it? |
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27th Mar 2015 3:37pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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The dirtier they get the less they can pass - I wouldn't be too worried about that. They are a very robust solution. The only issue I can see is actually over oiling one and having the oil drawn into any sensors upstream. |
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27th Mar 2015 3:41pm |
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| Phil VM2.5 Member Since: 28 Mar 2012 Location: Limelette Posts: 196  
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Ni,
What will be the difficulty to simply change the pump ? Phil current : defender 110 sw 2.2 puma 2012 and 230.000km today and again my Range Rover VM2.5 engine from 1992 and 528.000km today. One ten 1988 to 1992 1987 BMW GS80 One Ten from 1984 to 1987 One Ten from 1983 to 1984 Serie 3 109 from 1980 to 1983 from 1974 Jeep CJ3B and CJ6 |
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27th Mar 2015 3:45pm |
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| pob1968 Member Since: 20 Apr 2014 Location: uk Posts: 239 |
Hi, well the issue with K & N's is really about trapping the dirt - as in is it oiled enough. I do not profess to know the solution but it makes sense to have nice clean oil running through the oil pump, the more particles of soot, sludge or diesel in the oil the more likely the pump is going to have a hard time. Maybe the Ford problem is finding the weakness in the owners - builders who drive transits who don't necessarily look after the oil or oil levels that well, delivery vans getting a hard life etc etc. I think for my own peace of mind I will be changing the oil more often than once a year or every 12000 miles.
I will change mine at least every 6 months  110 Hardtop |
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27th Mar 2015 3:51pm |
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| Dave-H Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1507  
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Changing oil earlier with have absolutely no impact on the suspect oil pumps.
We've had over 30 fail, ranging between 4,500 - 19,000 miles. If the vehicle has one of the faulty batch pumps fitted, then you could change the oil every week, it won't make a blind bit of difference  Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant. |
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27th Mar 2015 4:25pm |
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| pob1968 Member Since: 20 Apr 2014 Location: uk Posts: 239 |
Interesting, are you a Ford mechanic then?
I will still change my oil more frequently, I have already bought the oil and two filters. 110 Hardtop |
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27th Mar 2015 4:40pm |
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| Dave-H Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1507
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Not purely Ford, but commercial vans etc [Over 50% are transits, we deal with about 1100 a year!]
You'll do no harm changing oil more frequently on a sound engine, But doing so won't prevent an oil pump from the suspect batch from failing, you'd just be wasting your money  Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant. |
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27th Mar 2015 5:00pm |
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| Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907 
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I'm sure I recall one of the tuners on here testing K&N filters on the Puma and finding they were worse than the standard one. I may be getting in a muddle though.
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27th Mar 2015 5:03pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3346 
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Think it was Pete at Bas - had a shiny graph and everything
 Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
Self confessed mileage hunter  |
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27th Mar 2015 5:26pm |
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| Fabio Member Since: 05 Aug 2011 Location: Somerset Posts: 589  
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I had K&N filters on the td5s and it doesn't make a difference.
I also think it affects the MAF sensor. On the puma i have now i won't be putting one. Fabio |
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27th Mar 2015 5:28pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3747  
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Correct Jo
Pete at BAS, did some rolling road tests on standard and after-market "upgrade" filters, IIRC a K&N made no difference whatsoever, ? maybe a detriment !! All my Defenders, 200Tdi to all the Puma's, have had the oil/filter changed, every 6 months, irrespective of miles to the 12 month full service California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1 Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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27th Mar 2015 5:32pm |
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