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Turbotcharged



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Should Swivels look shiny or like in my pic ?
Hi all..noticed my front wheels had a patten of oil from the studs..no oil is pooling and that the drivers side swivel looks grubby and on inspection is rough and scored....the off side one is all shiny this one looks rough...is this normal am I paranoid ...going 450 miles on manday..should I take wifes car ?
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Likeomg



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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
theres no pic...

I had problems from day 1 with swivels, went through about 7 different combos / fixs from land rover before they gave me a new axel...

(im guessing that was an extreme case) seals, the new ball, pins, new housing the lot
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Likeomg



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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey

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you may have a issue there... is the ball completely dry?
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custom90



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Doesn't look right, the surface should be polished. (But can have a bit of dirt on it)
Looks like the seal, or oil is gone or most likely both.
I'd hazard a guess dirt has got in there too.
I don't think you should worry about your trip but get it looked at as soon as you can.
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custom90



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Here is mine a year or so ago, here it is contaminated a bit with Dinitrol but it's more polished looking now.

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Merlin



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The latest LR ones are Teflon coated so they aren't shiny anymore. Having said that, they should have a decent surface of EP0 on them. When you renew them, sooner I would suggest rather than later judging by the picture, I would recommend new bearings top and bottom. These will need to be shimmed. There are some great threads on here and videos on who-tube. I did mine recently (too much Salisbury plain in the dust) and it's not that scarey, although I had excellent help.

Merlin
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Turbotcharged



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Likeomg wrote:

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you may have a issue there... is the ball completely dry?


yes ball dry as a bone...urgghhhh ..any ideas how long it takes to rebuild these things,,??? do not have the time space or patience myself...and should I be driving the thing...I do a lot of miles in it!
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Supacat



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Merlin wrote:
The latest LR ones are Teflon coated so they aren't shiny anymore.


Do you know when that change was made?
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Fatboy Slim



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About 2000 off the top of my head
Post #405447 7th Mar 2015 10:31pm
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Turbotcharged



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I think the seals are knackered.. Um..does this mean the diff is not lubricated?
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Fatboy Slim



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No, diff is in a separate compartment, separated by seals. Would be wise to change the oil in it though once the swivels are sorted.
Post #405556 8th Mar 2015 11:37am
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Turbotcharged



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Thanks chaps will check the piggy bank for the bits and try and do it myself. I am reasonably able with spanners but will be first. Looks straight forward.. Any thing tips cheats I need to know?
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Retroanaconda



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It's a fairly involved job, though nothing particularly difficult. Just lots of bits to undo. Some pointers:

- If your brake pipe bracket has been slotted you can free off the half-nut and lift the caliper away and hang it up in the radius arm, this avoids having to re-bleed the brakes.

- The bi-hex bolts holding the swivel ball to the axle will be F.T. and you can't get a socket on them due to the ball itself, so you need to use a really good fitting ring spanner and maybe a bit of pipe or a second spanner for leverage. I have a spanner with the open end cut off for this very purpose, over which I slide a jack handle.

- You'll need a fishing scale (spring balance) to set the preloads on the new swivel bearings. Get a decent selection of the different thickness of shims to enable you to set the correct preload.

Enjoy!
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Turbotcharged



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Might need to research this preload malarkey
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Retroanaconda



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Workshop manual will have the figures for your vehicle. Have a read through of this:

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5601

It's for a Disco but the Defender will be very similar, and the process will be about the same.
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