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| Orangesofa Member Since: 10 Oct 2014 Location: Somerset Posts: 214   
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Whilst following a horsebox being dragged by a Jeep at a fair pace this morning, me and the other half remarked how reckless they were doing such a speed on snowy/icy back lanes. We later caught them up as they had clearly seen sense and slowed for the conditions and then.....
http://youtu.be/NB91LJqSGQE Everyone was fine including the horse but the Defender had a destroyed offside front wheel (which was left facing in the opposite direction to the other) and the wing etc which was nothing compared to what the whole side of the jeep looked like! What happened next had us wondering what is the matter with people as a delivery driver started to try and drive onto the verge to get around the scene and started swearing and threatening the woman who'd been driving the Jeep. The police then rocked-up toting glocks on their thighs (we were between Highgrove and Gatcombe) and one went to find the lorry driver who was now hastily reversing away from the scene whilst the other dealt with the accident. We can all make allowances for the conditions and drive to the best of our abilities but this goes to show that it means nothing if the muppet coming the other way isn't.... Phil. |
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17th Jan 2015 6:42pm |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101  
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id say the defender driver was well over and made no attempt to move.
they dont stop as well as they go you know |
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17th Jan 2015 9:24pm |
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| Orangesofa Member Since: 10 Oct 2014 Location: Somerset Posts: 214
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Agreed - the defender is in the middle of the road but they are 100 metres from a clear road and seemingly didn't realise it was compacted snow/ice on this country lane. They did turn to avoid the jeep but braked, locked-up, understeered and bang.
I nearly fell over more than once just walking around the vehicles - it was as slippery as hell! |
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17th Jan 2015 9:56pm |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101
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my wife, who tows her horse with our 110, would of sparked the defender driver clean out!
the vets bill will be big enough let alone trailer and jeep! |
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17th Jan 2015 10:07pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
First question I'd ask at any accident - wonder if someone was on their phone or under the influence of drink/drugs? Did the jeep anticipate and brake at all - not that they had an alternative escape route? What speed was the Defender doing on that surface?
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17th Jan 2015 10:40pm |
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| Phil VM2.5 Member Since: 28 Mar 2012 Location: Limelette Posts: 196  
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Hi,
They probably not realise how slippery was the road but probably more important the driver fixed the obstacle and not the way to escape. Not so easy to do, I make one day the same ! Phil current : defender 110 sw 2.2 puma 2012 and 230.000km today and again my Range Rover VM2.5 engine from 1992 and 528.000km today. One ten 1988 to 1992 1987 BMW GS80 One Ten from 1984 to 1987 One Ten from 1983 to 1984 Serie 3 109 from 1980 to 1983 from 1974 Jeep CJ3B and CJ6 |
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18th Jan 2015 9:39am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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I just hope there was not a horse in the horse box, jeep seemed to be speeding along too fast for the conditions
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18th Jan 2015 9:47am |
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| JJ Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Winchester Posts: 932 
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It also shows how important it is to leave a nice big space between vehicles at all times because the unexpected happens. Even more so when the weather is poor
Your responsible driving helped to keep the situation from becoming a lot worse. |
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18th Jan 2015 11:15am |
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| MuddyChris300tdi Member Since: 02 Mar 2014 Location: Derby Posts: 224 
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I would say both parties were driving to fast but the defender was at fault not the jeep.
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19th Jan 2015 11:06am |
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| Orangesofa Member Since: 10 Oct 2014 Location: Somerset Posts: 214
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I had a phone call from the Jeep driver's insurer over a week ago who said they were looking to settle 50:50 with the Defender driver's insurance firm and asked if I had a view on this.
I said that I would be livid if they were my insurer and that the dash cam footage shows the Defender out of control on the wrong side of the road, hitting the Jeep which had nowhere left to go. The Dolly asked me to email her the footage and after I explained it was a large file, she said she'd speak to her colleague about how they could get a usb stick sent to me. I have heard nothing since. No wonder everyone's insurance costs rise when the companies just want to take the easy option and settle rather than get the most appropriate outcome. After all - they cannot lose as they just stick their short-term losses onto the next year's premiums so that they are back in profit again. This is precisely why I have a dash cam so that I can insist that my position is understood and fought for in a similar situation (should it ever happen). Phil |
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3rd Feb 2015 1:59pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 
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 I hate insurance companies! I think the government should step in make then non profit as its against the law not to have. If it's a legal obligation I don't think anyone should be allowed to profit from it 
Ray |
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3rd Feb 2015 4:17pm |
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| GSLRO Member Since: 13 May 2012 Location: Tyne and Wear Posts: 499 
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50 / 50
I hate insurance companies and hate that time of year. All I can think of here we go again then my head off the wall. Adventure isn't paved! |
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3rd Feb 2015 9:47pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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One of the points I re-iterated when training 4x4 Response drivers is "just because you have traction, doesn't mean you can slow down any quicker".
I'd say the oncoming Defender had too much speed on and couldn't overcome the laws of physics. They were turning the wheel to get away but had over come the grip and understeered into the Jeep with the wheels locked. The Jeep makes an instinctive attempt to get out the way but too late. Just goes to show, drive defensively as if everyone coming the other way is an idiot, if even they are driving a Defender. As for the delivery driver....
Glad no one inc the horse was hurt  New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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8th Feb 2015 2:55pm |
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