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Morepower

Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: Fife, Scotland
Posts: 630

Clutch Issue

Hi Guy's... Just a quick one... My 110 went in for it's B Service... The Dealer said the clutch needed replacing as there was an occasional rattle from underneath... However now the clutch is very snappy and bites almost immediately and very severely, with little or no adjustability. It seems that's it either in or out... I have also noticed that under certain conditions that I now have bad clutch judder..
The clutch bite and slip characteristics where fine before, There was just an occasional rattle... Has anybody got any idea's whats wrong?... It's back at the dealers on friday and I'd like to be fully armed when I go in..

Cheers

Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

2013 Bowler 110 (Sold)
2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold)

28th Jan 2015 9:30pm

bob neville

Member Since: 30 Apr 2009
Location: Marbella
Posts: 3247

Hi Tim

Had a similar problem on my 110. It took a visit from a LR engineer to sort it out, and the fix was very easy

The Tdci's have the same adjustment system as the TD5's under the bonnet where the cylinder is. Apparently this was not mentioned in a lot of the documentation hence the reason the dealer could not find the problem.

Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !!
2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold
2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold
2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member
2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days !

28th Jan 2015 10:02pm

Morepower

Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: Fife, Scotland
Posts: 630

Thanks Bob, Can you elaborate...Or better still tell me what I need to do...

Kind Regards

Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

2013 Bowler 110 (Sold)
2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold)

28th Jan 2015 10:06pm

bob neville

Member Since: 30 Apr 2009
Location: Marbella
Posts: 3247

Hi Tim

Second post from this forum post.

http://forum.lro.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=39674

The Tdci clutch pedals are supposed to be set for life but, sadly, that is not the case as I found out when my 110 was off the road for six weeks trying to get it fixed. It was my second new clutch in a year, the first was fine when fitted and then fell to bits ! Dealer replaced it and I had the same problem as you have, clutch bit about 1/2" off the floor, either on or off and clutch judder. Dealer did numerous things on the advice of LR, took clutch out and put it into another vehicle, special pressure bleed etc etc all because the clutch travel is set for life.

After replacing the clutch, all pipework and numerous other bits, LR sent an engineer out and he fixed it within 30 minutes by adjusting the pedal travel as per the link above.

Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !!
2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold
2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold
2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member
2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days !

28th Jan 2015 10:22pm

Morepower

Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: Fife, Scotland
Posts: 630

Thanks Bob... I think I'll have a go at it tomorrow

Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

2013 Bowler 110 (Sold)
2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold)

28th Jan 2015 10:48pm

bob neville

Member Since: 30 Apr 2009
Location: Marbella
Posts: 3247

Make sure you remove mats etc, measurements are from the bare floor.

Good luck

Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !!
2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold
2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold
2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member
2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days !

28th Jan 2015 10:51pm

Morepower

Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: Fife, Scotland
Posts: 630

All Done Bob... Seems I have a Clutch again!!!!!...

Why can't the dealers do this???

.... I'm still going in tomorrow, So they can inspect how it should be done...

Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

2013 Bowler 110 (Sold)
2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold)

29th Jan 2015 11:06pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

I thought I had the death rattle and required a new clutch after the above symptoms albeit intermittent (and recently more bad that good!!)

I hope this is the fix......

- ironic too I'd come on here to look for death rattle and before I did looked at new posts only to find this

Morepower - you have a clutch again. does that also mean the clatter when you turn off / clatter from underneath has gone too ?

30th Jan 2015 8:12am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

MY12 Workshop manual states:

Check distance from lower edge of clutch pedal to down position. Correct measurement is 135 mm (5.31
in).
Adjust master cylinder push rod lock nuts untill 135mm (5.31 in) is achieved.
Tighten lock nuts to 23 Nm (17 lb.ft).
Move the clutch pedal to the fully down position.
Tighten nylon nut securing push rod to clutch pedal trunnion to 23 Nm (17 lb.ft) .
Install a new gasket to cover plate and secure with the 6 screws.
Tighten the screws to 3 Nm (2 lb.ft).

I think the adjustment is essentialy the same as the TD5 but it looks like they measure the range of movement of the pedal rather than the floor to pedal distance at rest.

30th Jan 2015 12:09pm

Morepower

Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: Fife, Scotland
Posts: 630

I had the death rattle from the clutch like many on here... The Dealer replaced the clutch under warranty... However, they forgot or didn't adjust the clutch to take into account the new clutch fitment...
Interesting to note that even with the new clutch fitted that the truck drove horribly... Once the clutch was adjusted as per Bob's info... The snatch and clunk has pretty much disappeared... Which leaves me to think that the rev hang etc is timed based on clutch position. I expect they've set the clutch engagement/rev hang to match... My truck drives perfectly now, which it most certainly didn't with the clutch out of adjustment...

Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

2013 Bowler 110 (Sold)
2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold)

30th Jan 2015 3:30pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

thanks morepower.

so following the clutch replacement did it still rattle or did the clutch adjustment only resolve the biting / clunk problem?

30th Jan 2015 3:40pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

did they replace the master cyl ?

you should not have to adjust the pedal just because it had a new clutch fitted only if the master cyl was touched

30th Jan 2015 3:41pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

perhaps the clutch was poorly adjusted from the start?

30th Jan 2015 3:59pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

maybe , but should never need to adjust unless the master cyl has been changed

30th Jan 2015 5:28pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

So assuming it was set up right it should never need adjusting unless you change the master cylinder.

So my on/off clutch action which is becoming more frequent is more likely the clutch plate needing replacement rather than a simple adjustment of the clutch pedal.

I live in hope.

30th Jan 2015 5:40pm

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