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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19579  
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I've noticed similar on the odd occasion but nothing that I personally wouldn't expect as a Defender querk.
It goes though, not anything to worry about. I find sometimes your footwear can make a big difference, I'd rather have a heavier shoe / boot that a lighter one. Just something to think about. |
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1st Dec 2014 6:37pm |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290 
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I know what you mean on the footwear front, but it pretty much requires a specifc thought process every time I want to set off, creep in traffic etc, trying to make it less obvious to passengers and also when the dog is in the back, trying not to lurch forward and unbalance him.
I even find my self thinking about how it must look to cars behind or next to me when it jolts slightly on take up or when setting off in second gear with the wrong amout of throttle which sends a vibration or shimmy throught the vehicle making my mirrors vibrate and I wonder if the entire van sides wobble as well
I don't know if it's something to do with clutch pedal position or height or weight or combo of all those , or that I am sat pretty high and my leg angle is such that it makes me lift my foot onto the clutch pedal . Instead of say in a car , you pivot your ankle/foot from your heel which is on the floor, and more precise and stable control is possible due to the bracing effect of this. Thinking about it , this may be my problem and I need some big wedge ,spice girl styleee shoes with orthopaedic soles fitted  |
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1st Dec 2014 7:16pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19579
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What floor mats do you have?
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1st Dec 2014 7:30pm |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290
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I have the Landrover supplied jobs, I have seen the threads about some having issues with them being too thick, and limiting clutch travel, if that's what you are referring too.
My problem isn't on depressing ( though it is mildy getting me down  ) but on the releasing of the pedal. |
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1st Dec 2014 7:35pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19579
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How's the clutch fluid level looking?
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1st Dec 2014 7:41pm |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290
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I have just popped out to check Steve , which bright spark thought that was the best place to route a load of wiring and pipework ,
 
Anyway , having removed the cap, this is what I see, is it supposed to brown, I can honestly say, I have never seen clutch fluid that looked like this ???.  Click image to enlarge |
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1st Dec 2014 8:01pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19579
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I would say no, but I'm no expert.
Hopefully someone will be a long shortly to comment. |
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1st Dec 2014 8:07pm |
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| NickH Member Since: 02 Nov 2014 Location: Halifax Posts: 204  
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Hi Pal
Have you been topping up your clutch fluid with Bovril ? I kind of know what you mean about releasing your clutch pedal. It could be several things so I think I would start with simplest first. Bleed the clutch hydraulics until it appears clear in the reservoir. It could be water in the fluid which wont help at all or it could be seals in the master cylinder giving up, although that usually turns it black. See what your pedal is like then. You could also remove the 6 screws and the cover from behind the reservoir and squirt some proper oil on the pedal pivot, put a cloth under the pedal first to avoid oil on your mats. See how you go  2003 Td5 90
2013 sport hse 2012 700 raptor quad 2012 siromer 4x4 tractor |
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1st Dec 2014 9:26pm |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290
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Now then Mar mite. ( did you see what I did there
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I haven't topped it up at all, it had a full service allegedly , form Masseys when I bought it 1800 miles ago, so I guess this is how it has always been, as the issue/feel has been there from day one. I will try bleeding it this week, assuming I can rope in the wife as pedal pusher  , failing that an easy bleed set up, assuming the cap it uses will actually fit in the congested crevice they fitted the MC in
Is it just a normal dot4 fluid required do you know? Many thanks,
Nick |
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1st Dec 2014 9:38pm |
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| NickH Member Since: 02 Nov 2014 Location: Halifax Posts: 204
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Oxo ya think your funny then, ENOUGH this is serious !
Yeah dot 4 should be fine....better than whats in there now ! If you cant get a pedal or the easy bleed wont fit then I clean an oil can out, fill with brake fluid and connect it to the bleed nipple with a rubber tube after your helper holds the clutch pedal down with their hand. Then pump the oil can and tell your helper to let the pedal come up as they feel the pressure from the oil can. Works every time 2003 Td5 90
2013 sport hse 2012 700 raptor quad 2012 siromer 4x4 tractor |
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1st Dec 2014 9:59pm |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290
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Hmmm, there will most likely be some pro's and Condiments to the differing methods
Thanks for the advice and suggestions , hopefully his will be one of those simple but hugely effective little jobs. Alternatively it will be one of those , all done back together , here's hoping it's now sorted    , nope , it's just the same as before , jobs 
Thanks chaps . Cheers, Nick |
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1st Dec 2014 10:39pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3614 
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might be worth checking where the clutch pedal return spring sits on the clutch pedal and lubricating that interface DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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2nd Dec 2014 4:34am |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290
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Thanks for the suggestion , I will caress some slide'n'glide in there also
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2nd Dec 2014 9:34am |
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| Windowlicker Member Since: 24 Aug 2014 Location: East yorks Posts: 290
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Well , I got her bled this afternoon, what a bizarre example of a bleed nipple
I can honestly say, I have never seen such a thing
Was the plastic flat sided thing underneath the nipple a cover or cap, to hide /protect the actual hex area for a spanner, did it screw off , or pop off 
I only deduced by the fact it had serrations or sort of knurled grip areas on the flats , that this was indeed a dial of sorts, to effectively crack off the bleed nipple to allow flow of fluid . I also found that if the pedal is depressed first, before you twist the plastic dial thing, it effectively locks it solid, leading you to expect the whole thing to snap off if more force was applied. So in effect the way to do it is to twist/open it, then straightway ask your assistant ( SWMBO today ) to depress the pedal, then upon release, close it again.
Wether this is correct or not I don't know, but it just feels like a flimsy piece just waiting to ruin your day. Anyway, having done it , even the wife pointed out that it now feels much smoother and doesn't have the rough bit in the middle of the travel
Went for a blast to see what it was like and it really is one of those tweaks you notice in so much of driving the vehicle, setting off, junctions, inching forward or backwards is now "normal" without the bump or rough bit mid pedal travel. So I am mainly a happy bunny, no more embarrassing lurches or nodding dog head jerks upon setting off. Thanks to all who assisted with info. Cheers, Nick |
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7th Dec 2014 6:57pm |
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