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Setok



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Finland 
The BBC kind of speculates that the utility days will be over.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35285258
Post #496343 25th Jan 2016 9:15pm
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marksolesbury



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Location: Rushden
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United Kingdom 
Its a sad time to loose the iconic body styles. 1996 300tdi 90
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Post #496345 25th Jan 2016 9:16pm
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Supacat



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green
Now it's going to be more affordable!
OK not a good source but apparent quotes from Gery McG:

EXPECT a new Defender in 2018 that's "more sophisticated" but just as capable.

Design chief Gerry McGovern said: "This car will look the b*******!

"I assure you. The absolute dog's b*******. You will look at it and say 'that's a modern-day Defender'.

"We've moved it on from the DC100 concept (above) and I think we've got something that's even more desirable - and affordable."

http://www.sunmotors.co.uk/news/whats-next...-defender/
Post #497701 29th Jan 2016 10:03am
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Chrismcc



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Norway 
Certainly sounds exciting if true.

My anticipations are it could potentially look quite similar to the existing 'box' defender but with modern refinements as this suggests.

We know fundamentally that changes have to be made to meet modern safety standards, not just engine and emissions.

The separate steel chassis will go and make way for the Aluminium monocoque body / chassis arrangement which saves a load of weight bringing better fuel economy. Front and rear bumpers will (or cannot) be directly part of the chassis in the old defender sense, this is too rigid for modern safety standards and offers no crumple zone.

The front end grill / lights could of course take a new look to match the rest of the LR fleet.

I would guess all door closures (I mean the way a door seals) will also take a revamp and be more like a modern day vehicle which offers better rain / wind / dust closure.

Interior, I suspect will get a lavish upgrade and to keep the safety buffs on side there will be airbags aplenty. This is also one reason the old defender is not available in the U.S. because safety is not up to scratch and therefore a massive untapped market.

Also on the interior they might choose to address the issue lots of non defender lovers hate and that is space / width for the folk who are slightly bigger boned! The lack of elbow room is always something brought up while driving.
Will the vehicle itself be a tad wider? or will the storage box zone in the middle be slightly smaller (or a bit of both) allowing more comfort 'width' for the driver.

towing weight and off road capabilities do not change with this new monocoque chassis design. the new Discoveries can still pull 3500kg

suspension...?
will this go fully independent for a better on road ride quality (this will make it FAR more sellable) and on to air springs like the Discovery? The new Discoveries are still very capable off road and the LR terrain response is sure to be adopted with this. How about an 8 speed auto transmission...?

I don't see why all this new tech cannot be fitted into a similar ish flat sided defender. Of course the whole vehicle gets a revamp of body panel sizes / shapes etc will change but it could still have visible links back to its history.
I'd say the Mercedes G-Wagon is a pretty flat sided box too so its possible.

Just my pennies worth,

McC
Post #497741 29th Jan 2016 10:51am
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Eduardo



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Re: Now it's going to be more affordable!
Supacat wrote:
OK not a good source but apparent quotes from Gery McG:

EXPECT a new Defender in 2018 that's "more sophisticated" but just as capable.

Design chief Gerry McGovern said: "This car will look the b*******!

"I assure you. The absolute dog's b*******. You will look at it and say 'that's a modern-day Defender'.

"We've moved it on from the DC100 concept (above) and I think we've got something that's even more desirable - and affordable."

http://www.sunmotors.co.uk/news/whats-next...-defender/



I like the last paragraph in the article

"Defenders are sprayed with 343 high-pressure water jets for 14 minutes to check for leaks in the Monsoon Chamber"
Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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Post #497790 29th Jan 2016 12:47pm
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Chrismcc



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yep it leaks, carry on! Thumbs Up
Post #497796 29th Jan 2016 1:00pm
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familymad



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 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
I am still impressed no magazine or motoring hack has gotten ANY shots of its replacement. The testing must be well underway for 2018 delivery? 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
Post #498213 30th Jan 2016 11:27am
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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
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Ireland 
familymad wrote:
I am still impressed no magazine or motoring hack has gotten ANY shots of its replacement. The testing must be well underway for 2018 delivery?

Maybe they have seen it but don't recognise it as a Defender?
Think of the Discovery when it was launched and the model currently on sale today. Or indeed the Range Rover when launched and the current model. The replacement Defender will probably have as much in common with the present model as the aforementioned vehicles have with with their antecedents. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #498891 31st Jan 2016 11:47pm
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ROBBONTHEROCK



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Scotland 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Firenze Red
I would imagine any testing will be on test mules.

Think Disco or range rover body shell running with defender mechanicals.

Just a guess, but would make some sense.

I would imagine body shell testing will be done very soon to official launch, this is a highly anticipated vehicle Smile

Cheers
Andy
Post #498905 1st Feb 2016 12:40am
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JWL



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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Coniston Green
Good point ROBBONTHEROCK, you never know, all these pictures of these convertable Ewoks might actually be test mules for the new Defender 90. They're testing a basic model version that can have a full tilt put on later Whistle

I wonder if Exmoor Trim have had the dimensions yet to start cutting canvas for the roll up sides on the convertable Ewok yet?
Post #498909 1st Feb 2016 12:59am
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Enid_Puceflange



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Scotland 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Baltic Blue
I hope so,

We are getting an Evoque Convertible delivered on the 5th Feb Shocked My confidence has been writing cheques that my abilities can't cash for years.
Post #498914 1st Feb 2016 2:38am
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blackwolf



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Location: South West England
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
ROBBONTHEROCK wrote:
...
Think Disco or range rover body shell running with defender mechanicals.
...


You are assuming that there's a difference between New Defender running gear and Disco or RR. It could well be that there isn't.

Talk of mules amuses me, We all assume that there are no mules out there because no-one's indentified one. It seems to me that there's a possibility that they are out there but look so similar to the other bland and generic products in the line-up that no-one's noticed them or realised what they're seeing.

Time will tell.
Post #499023 1st Feb 2016 11:54am
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Wild Card 90



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England 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver
Judging by the DC100 proportions which were more upright than anything LR currently produces, we would recognise a disguised one if we saw one. They will definitely be using Discovery platforms to test drive trains for the new Defender, but will eventually have pre production bodies of the new vehicle to test. Two years before production is still early but during the course of this year we can expect to see something we recognise. In disguised form, the front end will look similar to others, but my guess is that the upright tailgate, relatively upright side glass and upright mirrors should give it away. I was openly critical to the LR staff at the Frankfurt Show when I first saw the concept. Not that an individual's opinion makes a difference, but there was a lot of criticism and I am sure they expected it anyway. I believe they have done their homework and will deliver an excellent Defender for the modern world. Twisted and co. Will rub their hands together and start creating the versions that are missing, and a new chapter begins...... 1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs,
Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons
Post #499046 1st Feb 2016 12:45pm
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CR



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Ireland 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Santorini Black
I would think as soon as they shift all the existing defenders in the dealer network the leak photo will appear somewhere so the hype can begin in earnest:whistle:
Post #499183 1st Feb 2016 6:30pm
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ken



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United Kingdom 
Nah there will be no more Defender

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Post #499185 1st Feb 2016 6:33pm
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