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Kevin W

Member Since: 27 Jun 2014
Location: Denver
Posts: 1

110 For sale, scam or not?

I've been emailing back and forth about a beautiful 85 110 and I'm starting to get the feeling it's a scam.

The price is in line with what 110s of this year are selling for but it looks almost new. The problem is that the seller is being very vague about certain things. I was initially told the truck is in France but when I asked for things like an actual picture of the VIN, all of a sudden I'm told the truck is in Malta, already loaded on a container waiting to be shipped.

I asked what shipping company and she's hasn't answered, I got this response:

The successful conclusion of this transaction will be safeguarded by the shipping company through their Safe Exchange Policy. Alter Transport & Logistics has the appropriate security measures to prevent and avoid any element of risk that may arise in our transaction. They basically acts as a trustee between the buyer and seller.

As I previously mentioned, there is a 10-day inspection period which begins once the car arrives at your location. In addition to the provided inspection period, Alter Transport & Logistics will handle everything on our behalf, ( including: transfer of the documents from the buyer to the seller, customs procedures, payment, transportation, etc...)

If you agree to the above-mentioned terms, please email me back with the following information:
- Your Full Name and Complete Delivery Address - Info. required, by the shipping company in order to draft the purchase agreement, in accordance with the EU legislation
- Your Phone Number: (Home, Mobile, Office) - Info. required for transportation purposes, the shipping company dispatcher will call to establish a delivery time frame at your location.

Hope to hear from you soon, to get things rolling.
Sincerely,
Patricia

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27th Jun 2014 9:48pm

Mdm

Member Since: 11 Sep 2013
Location: Sunny Lancashire
Posts: 1537

Doesn't sound genuine to me

27th Jun 2014 9:58pm

Stuarta

Member Since: 11 Apr 2014
Location: Shrivenham
Posts: 38

Nor me...

27th Jun 2014 10:03pm

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5745

1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue

The VIN decoded says http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html

SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
LD Model: Defender (for early models: Ninety, or One Ten)
H Wheel base: 110 inch
M Body type: 4-door station wagon (LWB)
V Engine type: 3.5 litre V8 petrol, carburettor
7 Steering and transmission: Right-hand drive (RHD), 5-speed manual (LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other)
B Model year: 1985 to 1987
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
308663 Serial number

RHD and a V8 now a Tdi and LHD? 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

27th Jun 2014 10:08pm

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

Its on half a dozen web site prices vary at $4500, 4500 euros up to $51000,the shipping company appears to do nothing more than shift barges inland (USA). Not to mention the typical Chinese style advert. Seems legit,go for it! Awesome first post btw

. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

27th Jun 2014 10:13pm

Surrey Rover

Member Since: 20 Dec 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 360

Scam, this sentence has Nigeria written all over it:

The successful conclusion of this transaction will be safeguarded by the shipping company through their Safe Exchange Policy. Alter Transport & Logistics has the appropriate security measures to prevent and avoid any element of risk that may arise in our transaction. They basically acts as a trustee between the buyer and seller. Nick

2.2 110 Tipper

28th Jun 2014 8:16am

JJ

Member Since: 18 May 2009
Location: Winchester
Posts: 932

1987 Defender 110 V8 Petrol CSW Corris Grey

SCAM

28th Jun 2014 8:31am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

Simple googling Alter Transport & Logistics shows that there is no company by such name, however:

There are three transport companies that have Alter in their name:

1. Alter Logistics http://www.alterbarge.com/
This indeed is a USA Mississippi river barge company. Kevin could easily give them a call from Denver, but I think I know the answer already

2. Alter-Trans Transport Company. Located in Chisinau, Moldova.

Don't think it is these guys either.

3. Alter Ego Groupe Transports Logistique. Well, they are located in France, so maybe contact them by e-mail to ask if they are aware of this Defender for sale and are taking up an intermediate role between seller and buyer. Kevin could forward them e-mails from the seller in which they refer to this Alter Transport & Logistics, and see what they say.

But afraid I know the answer already. Good luck, but be careful

Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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28th Jun 2014 8:32am

Alex1976

Member Since: 24 Jan 2013
Location: Buckingham
Posts: 596

I would keep well clear of this deal. It all looks very dodgy!

28th Jun 2014 9:44am

deplec

Member Since: 21 Aug 2012
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 152

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Zambezi Silver

You should put a Scam vs No Scam poll on the post!

I vote scam.

I bet if you send a load more info (name / address etc) a request for a smallish, perhaps even reasonable downpayment or deposit / act of good faith will come next. A few days later, some problems in port that need a facilitation payment that needs covering etc. If you're unsure now, imagine how you'll start to feel then...

28th Jun 2014 9:56am

deplec

Member Since: 21 Aug 2012
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 152

Ha, I just noticed its the OP first post, and now I feel like he might be the scammer, testing his scam-plans to see if they sound plausible! Trust No One!

28th Jun 2014 10:03am

DavidSally

Member Since: 30 Apr 2014
Location: Chesterfield
Posts: 7

1995 Defender 90 300 Tdi CSW Rutland Red

This shipping scam is well known.
Remember the old cherub...
If something looks too good to be true, it probably is!

28th Jun 2014 10:19am

Projectblue

Member Since: 22 Nov 2011
Location: Devon
Posts: 1096

Hi Kevin,

It's definitely a scam, although the best written one I've seen for a while. Telltales are in the photo's:
Wolf Rims - but the photo shows cheaper non LR steel wheels
New rear cross member which is unsurprising given the age however the gearbox cross member looks almost new, and not something that's been under a Defender for nearly 20 years

If you like, string them along a bit for wasting your time.

Also, be cautious about Defenders coming with lots of new bits. US customs are wise to Defenders now and take a dim view of them turning up with lots of shiny bits on them

Good luck in your hunt.

28th Jun 2014 7:31pm

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