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KarlB

Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 91

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Rimini Red

Rear Recover Point Defender 90

I know this has been done to death but I haven't yet seen a satisfactory solution. The OEM tow bar for a Puma D90 reduces the departure angle by more than one third and this seems like a silly option for a rear recovery point for a D90. After all, you buy one, at least in part, for its excellent departure angle. The 'tradional' place to fix JATE rings is reportedly not strong enough as it is no longer strengthened like Defenders in the past, so JATE rings are not a safe option. There must be a solution. I have recently seen a video of D90 at a LR Experience Centre pulling a 12 tonne DAF truck as a demo. I suspect it was using a Dixon Bate fixture of some type but how was it affixed to the D90. Has any one taken any notice of what recover points are used on D90s at the Experince Centres?

Cheers
KarlB
Canberra Australia

29th Mar 2010 4:16am

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

3 options:

Mount to the rear crossmember. Good enough in a straight line pull (NATO jaw mounts to the 4 central holes) but questionable from an angle.

Mount to the chassis. Such as a Jate ring. I know what you mean about the lack of reinforcing but I've never seen or heard of anyone tear their chassis rails with a recovery. If you mount two then you have the option to spread the load further.

Mount to both. Such as aDixon-Bate adjustable or Southdown. Essentially this will give you the strongest possible anchor but by tying to the chassis rails you inevitably compromise departure angle. The D-B setup is even more extreme than the OEM one but you get more height. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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29th Mar 2010 7:08am

roel

Member Since: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Lelystad
Posts: 2039

I looked at the LRDE video and it looks to me they have a angle iron below the chassis but I cannot see any additional support to the front like when you have a standard tow bar.
That is off course an option make a very short towbar and reuse the additional supports to the chassis.
It help to give some more protection to the tank too. Roel

1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001)
1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009)
2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts.
2003 90 Td5 (2009-now)

29th Mar 2010 7:47am

KarlB

Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 91

Thanks for replies alantd and roel. But, gee wiz, I expected more replies. What do others on the forum with Puma D90s do about rear recovery?

31st Mar 2010 1:33am

Bosun

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Great Berry
Posts: 141

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Be carefull when fitting rear Jate rings, they come very close to the plastic fuel tank. The lashing eyes are also awkward to remove as they have to be sawn off. They are bolted on before the tank is fitted, presumably because of the clearance with the fuel tank (the head of a bolt is thinner than a nut and a few threads of protruding bolt). The Jate rings will need to be threaded one side. Jate rings that use a bolt with a nut won't work! Hope this is usefull.

31st Mar 2010 8:12am

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

Bosun wrote:
Be carefull when fitting rear Jate rings, they come very close to the plastic fuel tank. The lashing eyes are also awkward to remove as they have to be sawn off. They are bolted on before the tank is fitted, presumably because of the clearance with the fuel tank (the head of a bolt is thinner than a nut and a few threads of protruding bolt). The Jate rings will need to be threaded one side. Jate rings that use a bolt with a nut won't work! Hope this is usefull.

That's interesting - I never bothered to look on my old 90. The 110 is perfectly accessible.

My OEM and D-B adjustable tow hook (with the chassis ties) mount to the same holes so how does that work on a 90? I can't imagine that fitting the OEM tow hook is a tank-out job

One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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31st Mar 2010 8:38am

MrFlips

Member Since: 27 May 2009
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 682

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 PU Santorini Black

I took the approach of buying a Safari Equipment 2" receiver that bolts onto the rear cross-member, and then sits just underneath it, keeping out of the way, but allowing you to attach a recovery point when needed (or towball when needed). Peter
2008 SWB Truck Cab
1952 80" Soft top

31st Mar 2010 1:03pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5024

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

i like these and have one on the disco - remember for towing its not type approved

but they are very good. Mike

31st Mar 2010 1:07pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Safari Equip 110 I presume the 90 may be similar

130's have feeling's as well you know

31st Mar 2010 3:49pm

MrFlips

Member Since: 27 May 2009
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 682

Yep, the 90 version looks just the same

Peter
2008 SWB Truck Cab
1952 80" Soft top

31st Mar 2010 4:50pm

KarlB

Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 91

Thanks to all who replied now have a bit more to think about.
Cheers
KarlB

4th Apr 2010 4:39am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 7682

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

LRE hontion we ran std two hitches on 90 and 110s

i run a southdown rear tow pack on my 110, better protection for the tank, no loss of departure angle plus option for a tow hitch or a recovery eye. i moved the electrics up into the rear 'PTO' hole in the chassis Cheers

James
110 XS Utility
130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making)
90 Puma Hardtop

5th Apr 2010 4:18pm

discocuzzy

Member Since: 16 Jul 2008
Location: surrey
Posts: 1200

Just ordered the safari equipe one to tow my Sankey...are the recovery recievers the warn 2" ones

You cannot teach stupid people to do clever things

5th Apr 2010 8:38pm

ay4alex

Member Since: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Midlands
Posts: 327

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Java Black

they are indeed, any 2" attachment will fit. we've got one from Scorpion racing, everything is the same, apart from the sh*t powdercoating. 110 Tdci Double Cab

5th Apr 2010 9:23pm

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

discocuzzy wrote:
Just ordered the safari equipe one to tow my Sankey...are the recovery recievers the warn 2" ones

How does it line up? Do you have a plate that comes out of the 2" hole and points up to keep the NATO in line with the holes in the crossmember? Will that be strong enough (there are folks who have bent their crossmember towing a Sankey). If your NATO is in line with the 2" bracket (the strongest position) won't it be too low?

I have to admit, though - not having a plough on the back is quite appealing. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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5th Apr 2010 10:22pm

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