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| Walman Member Since: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Tavistock Posts: 5   
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Our 57 plate is 125k and still going nice. Plenty of offers for it!
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23rd Aug 2017 3:10pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16862 
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Hardly run in! My 07 has now just passed the 213,000 mark.
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23rd Aug 2017 7:51pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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My 2008 (sold in 2013) racked up well over 100k, many of them off road laning and towing a hefty Ifor Williams horse trailer, it was serviced bang on time, looked after well but other than that had a pretty hard life; in my ownership it never really burnt a drop of oil or had any major mechanical issues other than 3 x EGR valves.
Ive had 3 Puma's & as a work horse that can be thrashed, off-roaded or used as a long distance tourer they can't be beaten. And finally I managed to get 93k out of the original discs & pads (& they still had a few miles left in them)...is that a record?!?! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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23rd Aug 2017 9:50pm |
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| Walman Member Since: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Tavistock Posts: 5
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Is it a bit like Trigger's broom though? Only had 2 new engines and a chassis and body, but the odometer is original.  |
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24th Aug 2017 8:20am |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 674 
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Mine is 2010MY and is at 83k miles now, 30% of those miles have been at full 3.5Te all over Europe, 30% driven hard through winding Welsh. With no engine or transmission issues.
Every ford I have ever owned have gone well past 120k miles without an issue, our Volvo V40 T4 also ran like a dream we kept it for 12years.... the same can not be said for some of our other vehicles from "prestige" manufactures - for example our Audi A3 has had more break downs (all engine) than a 80's pop star in rehab!!! 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper |
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24th Aug 2017 8:48am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16862
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No, much of it is original. Working from memory, in that 213,000 miles it has had the following parts as a result of failure or wear (as opposed to upgrades); 4 clutches 1 transfer box 1 front diff 1 set of rear halfshafts and flanges 1 set of wheel bearings (ie one wheel set) 3 VCVs 1 turbo hose 1 radiator Several door hinges 1 dip/main switch 1 main lighting sewitch 2 sets of tyres 3 sets of front brake pads 2 sets of rear brake pads 1 water pump 4 windscreens 1 bonnet catch And possibly one or two other minor things I can't remember. I have also managed to break two ATBs as a result of lubrication issues which has resulted in two new diffs and sets of halfshafts, but I don't count these since they were down to me not keeping a close enough eye on the axle oil. Perhaps of more interest, except for the items listed above, all of the engine ancilliaries are original, the gearbox is original, the out[put adaptor shaft splined coupling is original, the front swivels have not needed replacing, the propshaft UJs are original, all of the steering balljoints are original, the srpings are original, all the suspension bushes are original, and the battery is original. Overall I am happy with the performance to date, although it must be noted that my TD5 Disco 2 (which has done very nearly the same mileage) has needed far fewer bits replaced. Last edited by blackwolf on 24th Aug 2017 2:27pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Aug 2017 9:10am |
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| Walman Member Since: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Tavistock Posts: 5
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 wow! Looks a long list, but actually as you say all wear/tear over the 213k. Impressive list of originals too!
Interesting how the TD5 has had less repaired though. Our Landy garage man always says the TD5 is the engine he would prefer in a Defender. No reason to sell our Puma though  |
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24th Aug 2017 11:08am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16862
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By way of comparison and working from memory again, the equivalent list for the TD5 Disco 2, which has done around 200k miles, is as follows:-
1 clutch 1 battery 1 track rod end balljoint 3 set of tyres Can't remember how many sets of brake pads, probably 3 front, 2 rear 1 FPR 1 set of fuel pipes, tank to filter 1 ACE pipe (pump to valve block) 1 pair of front springs 1 front propshaft (who was the moron who thought ujs, and the centre bearing in the DC joint, don't need grease nipples!) 2 alternators (who was the moron who put and oil-fed vac pump on the front of an alternator!) 2 window lifters It is also in need of a transfer box (since the original presently sounds like an underground train accelerating), and the headlining is starting to sag. Original are all engine parts except as noted above, the gearbox, the transfer box (at present), the axles, all suspension components apart from the springs above, the rear propshaft (including the rubber doughnut!) Overall I think that this is very good for a 15 year old vehicle with 200k miles. Last edited by blackwolf on 24th Aug 2017 2:25pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Aug 2017 11:19am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3463  
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They like to be used 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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24th Aug 2017 1:55pm |
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| Gurmot Member Since: 01 Apr 2016 Location: Somerset Posts: 36 
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My 2010 90 XS CSW has 37k miles. At this rate it looks like it will outlast me!
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1st Sep 2017 12:42pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 832  
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I totaly agree, my Defenders have averaged 25,000 miles a year, the Range Rover and series vehicles around 10,000. Keeping all that oil and coolant circulating gives bearings, seals and so on no time to "dry out" i.e. they stay lubricated. Of course they have needed proper servicing and replacement parts but I'm convinced that they have cost me much less per mile' in parts and servicing than any pampered weekend warrior. Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. |
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1st Sep 2017 3:08pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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Same with any car, having them sitting around for long periods can do them more harm than using them every day.
Regarding this original post (which is quite old), The engine and gearbox are straight from a Transit and it's not unusual to find transits with a quarter of a million miles on them. The rest of the car is basically the same as any other Defender and will last as well. |
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1st Sep 2017 6:32pm |
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| Toplink Member Since: 05 Dec 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 159
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[quote="Toplink"][quote="Gwynne_90"]Anyone know about the following service bulletin - was it mandatory to all 2007 TDcis?
Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM38792, 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Type: LD - Defender - All Years - Special Service Messages - Engine Name / Part No: SSM38792 Info Type: Service Bulletins Version No: 1 Date Uploaded: 21 Jul 2008 Models: LD - Defender Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Last Modified: 21-JUL-2008 09:44 Category: Engine Symptom: 497000 Engine Noi Content Issue: Heavy audible knocking heard on start up. Cause: On start up oil pressures can cause the piston cooling jets, (PCJ), to latch into a zero flow condition. Due to hysteresis effect in design the jets do not unlatch until the engine is warm and the oil pressures lower again. During this time with no pressurized oil jet flow to the lower pistons / cylinder bores, overheat and scuff conditions / damage can occur. Action: Replace the engine assy but ensure only engines post serial # ELD00080707063602 are used. This condition will not occur on vehicles post assured Vin# 9A767162. Engines post the info above are fitted with modified PCJ internal springs and this issue is now closed.[/quote] Just read this and looked at my VIN  and mine now knocks when cold stops after 2 miles. 84k on the clock and oil changed every 6k.
I think I will just drive it on and see what happens[/quote] 115k now and still going well 34 mpg for the last few months.. Its never over in my land rover. 2007 Defender HTop. 1952 Series One 80" 1977 Muir-Hill 111. 2014 Triumph Tiger800xc 1999 Discovery 2 td5 1982 Ransomes TSR300D. 2002 Yamaha XT600e. 2010 Freelander2 (the wifes) 2008 John Deere X140 |
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3rd Sep 2017 7:57pm |
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| tuesdayfox Member Since: 23 Jun 2013 Location: Sydney,OZ Posts: 129 
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It's a defender. It's a truck of which the transfer box needs rebuild around 300k miles and the drive flange may not last 10k kms
You should know what you buying A new engine is part of the service schedule for a dedender  |
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22nd Sep 2017 6:40am |
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