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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19607  
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Especially interesting to those of us the have post 1997 car licences..
It seems as of the 19/01/2013 the rules have been slightly changed again. But this is only applicable to test passes from these dates it is not universal to everybody. So there is pre 1997 (with associated "grandfather rights") Post 1997 - 19/01/2013 (I am in this category) 19/01/2013 to present I haven't looked into it in detail as of yet but after a quick look over, it seems the rules have been slightly tightened again. I saw this and thought I would share however some may well be aware of it already. Link HERE. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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23rd Dec 2013 11:19pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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One thing that I noticed was the maximum length of trailers........7m. How does that work then because my last twin axle caravan had an overall length of 7.96m
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24th Dec 2013 12:55am |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443
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Width regulations state 2.55m which is a shade over 8'4" in old money, I think that has increased slightly. I would take it that these new figures would be the standing regulations as of now.
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24th Dec 2013 1:23am |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422
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Also if your licence has been revoked on medical grounds epilepsy in my case. (passed test in 1992) lost h,g,v, entitlement straight away less than happy but there you go.
They also took off my towing too, so series of phone calls and quoting them there blurb I got towing bit back but will never have a h,g,v unless brain surgery comes on in leaps and bounds please check the small print, dvla can be hard work as I`ve been thru this on many occasions. |
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31st Dec 2013 12:04pm |
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| madrunner Member Since: 24 Jul 2012 Location: Dorset Posts: 68 
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The 7m is body length excluding A frame  |
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31st Dec 2013 2:42pm |
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| JR Member Since: 07 Dec 2012 Location: Auchtermuchty Posts: 532  
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JWL: 7m trailer, I think that might force an awful lot of glider trailers off the road too!
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31st Dec 2013 9:02pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16892 
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A quote from the British Gliding Association:
The legality of glider trailers exceeding 7 metres length being towed by private cars is occasionally misunderstood by insurers and others. In July 2012, the DfT clarified the situation for the BGA, noting why glider trailers exceeding 7 metres in length can be towed by private cars and vans. A glider wing or fuselage is considered to be an indivisible load if it cannot practically be divided into two or more sections. A table in Regulation 7 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, contains the details of the maximum length permitted for various sorts of vehicle and trailer combinations. Item 9 of that table does normally restrict a trailer towed by a vehicle which is not a goods vehicle over 3500 kg GVW to a maximum length of 7m not including the towing hitch arrangements. However regulation 7 (3A) (a) dis-applies the requirements of that table in a number of areas including where a trailer is constructed and normally used for the conveyance of "indivisible loads of exceptional length". In this context "exceptional length" means longer than the regulations would normally permit. This exception at would permit a trailer of perhaps 11m length specially constructed to carry indivisible loads such as a glider to be towed by a car or other vehicle which is not a goods vehicle over 3500 kg GVW. Note however that Regulation 7 (5) (b) still limits the length of (i) the towing vehicle to a maximum of 9.2m; and (ii) the length of the towing vehicle and trailer combination to a maximum of 25.9m unless special police notification, escorting and attendant requirements are complied with. |
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31st Dec 2013 11:55pm |
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| AWOL Member Since: 31 Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 222 |
I read it differently. In the link there's no reference to MAM for light trailers for those who passed in 2013 (instead saying "small trailers weighing no more than 750kg"). Instead MAM only comes into play for total train weight. For those who passed earlier the trailer MAM must be no more than 750kg. Will be interesting to see how long it takes for whoever wrote that page to spot that the rules set out for new drivers: 1: Contain definitions that are inconsistent with those used for other trailers; and 2: Make reference only to the weight of the trailer and NEITHER it's actual nor maximum laden weight. Would be interesting to see what the legislation itself says and, if equally inconsistent, how long it takes for someone to argue the toss about towing a laden trailer weighing over 750kg (using a trailer weighing less than 750kg) but within the 3500kg MAM train limit. |
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1st Jan 2014 8:07am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3140 
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That is very strange as you would have automatically gained towing rights when you passed your car test in 1992, you would never have needed to do the B&E which was introduced in (I think) 1997. DVLA were in the wrong as it is not possible to lose the towing qualification. I have HGV2 (cat C) and B&E - on medical grounds I could lose my HGV but never the B&E. That won't stop DVLA "accidentally" taking it off of course. I have even known people change address and find they have lost all their vocational licences, meaning in some cases that they can no longer work! 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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1st Jan 2014 10:49am |
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| cobs Member Since: 12 Jun 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 336 
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It's worth getting a copy of the info DVLA hold about your licence, just in case they ever 'lose' it when you reapply:
https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence#other-ways-to-apply Costs 5 but a worthwhile insurance policy as difficult to prove entitlement after the event. |
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1st Jan 2014 1:20pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3140
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Whenever I have to renew my licence (mainly due to moving house) I take a copy in case anything goes missing at DVLA...
 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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1st Jan 2014 6:18pm |
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