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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789   
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Not all Pumas have problems, lots of people have had no issues at all, the TD5 is a good engine and seems to last well, try them both would be one way of deciding, If you do motorway miles then the six speed box of the Puma is a boon and makes the vehicle quieter. Remember the 90 has quite a choppy ride you might want to consider a 110. Having said that I regularly travel to Aberdeen in my Puma 90 Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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27th Jan 2010 6:18pm |
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| Zinke Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Scunthorpe Posts: 670 
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They both have there pro's and cons.
The TD5 is more proven than the puma but is not without its faults. It more basic inside but get a county or XS and there by no means a bad place to be. I also feel that the TD5 is much better for playing about with but that will come with the puma in time. The puma is less reliable than the TD5 at the moment but as already said its a much nicer place to be when travelling long distances. It seems to be you have a good one or a bad one though and i wouldnt want one with less a years warranty left on it personally. As for off road use i really dont think there is any difference in them at all. |
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28th Jan 2010 8:25pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513 
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I've had both. The Td5 comes with a particularly romantic sense of agricultural history. Very long throw gearstick (I never actually worked out whether it was connected to the gearbox but it used to somehow know to change gear as I stirred the bucket of bolts around) and those air-vents at the front. A fairly bomb-proof engine in my opinion.
The TDCi drives a lot better (you can easily drive the length of the country in it - something I wouldn't have undertaken with my family in the Td5) and is a much nicer place to be. The heating and cooling really work. However, I suspect that in 20 years when we look back, we will point to the 300 TDi and the Td5 as the real superstar engines of the Defender period. I suspect the Puma will go into the same category as the TD - a nice stop gap but ultimately not strong enough. That might not be fair - I hope I'm wrong. The Td5 had plenty of issues when it first came out and everybody wrote it off too. I was thinking about this the other night: if I was doing it again, would I buy another 2.4 or go back to the Td5. I think it depends what you want to do with it. If you want to overland for the next 20 years in the same vehicle, get the Td5. If you want to drive it and enjoy it for the next 5 or so years and then see, get the TDCi. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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28th Jan 2010 10:12pm |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789
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The tansit van uses the same engine, surely some of them must be around the 100k mark by now, I think it's still too early to say. When the 300tdi came out all the people with 200tdi's slated it as even though it was basically the same engine, the the TD5 came out to howls of derision, The biggest problem was the insane lack of go off the mark which frightened many people pullling out of junctions. This wasn't too much of a problem in the defender, Just about all TD5's have had the wiring loom to the ecu changed due to oil ingress. Ford have been making diesels an awful lot longer than Land Rover, the TDCI engine in the Mondeo has done impressively well, though I don't know how much it is related to the engine in the Puma, So while I agree the TD5 is a really good engine and tunes really well I would keep me powder dry about the Puma engine just yet. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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28th Jan 2010 10:32pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513
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Also: if you're thinking of overlanding in it then get a 110. In fact if you're going to keep it and your needs might change then a 110 might do you better anyway (in this PC world, I'm not allowed to ask potentially ageist questions like "do you have kids already"). One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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28th Jan 2010 10:33pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7706 
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this pretty much sums it up (bar the 200tdi was the engine to have not the 300!) i did 105k in my 90 td5 and loved it, only done 10k in the tdci and - i love it - or more specifially love the inside/comfort/heater etc compared to the old one. Puma everything but with a td5 engine would do me. a chipped td5 goes better than a chipped puma too. Cheers James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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28th Jan 2010 11:22pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513
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Now we've started something 
On reflection, I'm probably being harsh on the TDCi. I've not had any issues with mine. For what I use it for (a lot of road, quite a bit of family transport, some offroad and some intended trips abroad to explore parts of Europe and North Africa) the Puma is probably better. I'm not going to drive it down the west coast of Africa solo or across the centre of Australia and the trips on the main roads to get to the interesting stuff is much more bearable. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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29th Jan 2010 12:17am |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159 
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Hi alan. I love my tdci for its long legged 6th gear and the heating and cooling, and general comfort. However i prefered my td5 enging and gearbox as I somehow had a lot more faith in its lifespan, and its been around for a good while now and I think all the early problems will have been sorted. As you say Alan, if you go for Puma, then get as new as you can afford, which sholud mean that some of the early problem parts should {might} have already been changed. Good luck
Richard 1963 Series 2A truck cab 2008 110 SW |
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29th Jan 2010 7:32am |
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| alanhid Member Since: 24 Jan 2010 Location: South Lanarkshire Scotland Posts: 221  
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Thanks for your input, finding it useful. Probably going for a 59 plate TDCi 90 SW
cheers guys |
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29th Jan 2010 11:38am |
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| alanhid Member Since: 24 Jan 2010 Location: South Lanarkshire Scotland Posts: 221
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Well folks, after months of searching and researching I have just bought myself........................
Defender 90td5 CSW XS in Botanni Grey, 2006, under 20000 miles, waxoyled, roof rack and some other extras including a Landrover extended warranty until 2011. Pick it up at the end of the week and if someone can give me an idiots guide on how to post pictures I will happily post pictures ...........................chuffed to bits! |
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5th Jul 2010 10:18am |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039  
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Congratulations, you wiil be happy.
Off-course we like to see pictures. To put pictures here you go to Gallery that's on top off the page next to the defender2. It sounds obvious but it took me a few weeks to find it too. There you have My gallery and Upload pictures You upload them first and if they are uploaded you can copy the link that is below the picture into the post. Good luck. Can't be difficult as I can do it too. Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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5th Jul 2010 10:40am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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Good on ya! Looking forward to the pictures, sounds like a decent low mileage example. Usually it's a matter of 'being in the right place at the right time' to snap up such a vehicle. Enjoy!!!!!
If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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5th Jul 2010 10:41am |
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| The Boy Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: East Northants Posts: 1459 
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My hope is we are wrong and the puma will turn out a long lived reliable engine with upgrades and will be still be going strong in the vehicles after 20 yrs (like my old 200tdi). Am I hoping for too much? Let’s hope not!
That really appeals to me too but it isn’t going to happen, sadly. I also think the td5 sounds better. Boy |
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5th Jul 2010 11:59am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: kent Posts: 2877
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Defender TD5 with puma interior i would buy one tomorrow
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5th Jul 2010 1:37pm |
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