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Discharge

Member Since: 10 Aug 2013
Location: Dubai
Posts: 54

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Alpine White

Who to tune my 2.4?

Hi guys,

I've spoken to alive tuning and twisted performance so far and they both boil down to:

Remap and EGR deletion
Exhaust&decat
Hybrid turbo
Intercooler

This should net around 180 BHP and 350 FT/LBS and I won't get change out of 3000 quid.

Alive are quoting cheaper prices and I like their ultimate intercooler more... however after speaking with them both I am leaning ever so slightly more toward twisted as Charlie has given me more confidence.

I have a 2011 110 and I want more poke as it's already pretty damn slow in comparison to Dubai traffic... and now i'm upgrading to 18" Sport alloys with 285/65 BFG A/T tyres it'll surely get worse.

However I do wonder if I would be better off upgrading the engine completely to the 3.2 or is that significantly more expensive?

Who and what would you recommend?

11th Aug 2013 4:55am

wyvern

Member Since: 14 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2074

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

Welcome to the forum,

a quick search from the top bar will produce a whole host of posts on this very subject, there are several sponsors of the forum who also give discounts to members for services.
Its very much personnal choice so read the reviews and add questions to the various posts.
The likes of Porny, Pete and the others will be happy to go througth the various options and costs.

Enjoy the forum - its a whole mindful of fab information.... & helpful people.

Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold
Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126

11th Aug 2013 6:50am

Dave-H

Member Since: 08 Feb 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1507

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Tonga Green

BAS or IRB, the best two 'proper' experts out there

I wouldnt touch any you have already mentioned .... Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant.

11th Aug 2013 10:04am

pope10001

Member Since: 15 Oct 2011
Location: Dulverton
Posts: 489

1992 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Zermatt Silver

This is just my personal view and experience.

I originally wanted to go with IRB, however i had a lot of trouble getting in touch with Ian before i bought his package. Therefore i decided against it. In the end i went with Pete at BAS, great service from the start, always quick to reply and always very helpful.

I have a full size intercooler, silicone intercooler pipes, De-cat, straight through mid section pipe, uprated turbo and one of Pete's tunes which closes the EGR. I have noticed around a 10C drop in temperature, increased MPG and better performance.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Mark

11th Aug 2013 10:57am

Discharge

Member Since: 10 Aug 2013
Location: Dubai
Posts: 54

Dave-H wrote:
BAS or IRB, the best two 'proper' experts out there

I wouldnt touch any you have already mentioned ....

Why wouldn't you deal with Alive, they're a forum sponsor too? 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up

11th Aug 2013 11:37am

theorangebandit

Member Since: 03 Jun 2013
Location: Stowmarket
Posts: 862

i think hes making it very clear that its a personal choice lol.

my best guidance on choosing a tuner is to find out what they provide and match it to what you want. simple as that and then when they tie on offerings go with the cheapest, most popular or the one with the best sticker for your bonnet

11th Aug 2013 11:47am

Discharge

Member Since: 10 Aug 2013
Location: Dubai
Posts: 54

pope10001 wrote:
This is just my personal view and experience.

I originally wanted to go with IRB, however i had a lot of trouble getting in touch with Ian before i bought his package. Therefore i decided against it. In the end i went with Pete at BAS, great service from the start, always quick to reply and always very helpful.

I have a full size intercooler, silicone intercooler pipes, De-cat, straight through mid section pipe, uprated turbo and one of Pete's tunes which closes the EGR. I have noticed around a 10C drop in temperature, increased MPG and better performance.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Mark

Thanks Mark, i've just sent you a PM. 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up

11th Aug 2013 12:26pm

Porny
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Member Since: 31 Aug 2009
Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands
Posts: 795

As above, who ever you use make sure they can provide proof of what you are actually going to get.

I would want to see proper rolling road/dyno graphs... And not just a figure plucked out of the sky or a curve made up on excel.

Any graph that shows you that the vehicle made exactly what LR claim before it was tuned should also be taken with a pinch of salt.

Ian IRB
The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers.

www.IRBdevelopments.com

www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments

www.integrated316.com

www.facebook.com/integrated316

11th Aug 2013 12:34pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Spread the purchases about, keeps everybody happy.....

Remap BAS
Intercooler and pipes Alive
BIts 'n' bobs Brendan
More bits 'n' bobs Derrik
Nakatanenga,
Entreq

My list is endless and my wallet empty!

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

11th Aug 2013 2:09pm

Discharge

Member Since: 10 Aug 2013
Location: Dubai
Posts: 54

K9F wrote:

BIts 'n' bobs Brendan
More bits 'n' bobs Derrik
Nakatanenga,
Entreq

I'm not familiar with these, do you have website links? 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up

11th Aug 2013 2:16pm

Porny
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Member Since: 31 Aug 2009
Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands
Posts: 795

K9F wrote:
Spread the purchases about, keeps everybody happy.....

Remap BAS
Intercooler and pipes Alive
BIts 'n' bobs Brendan
More bits 'n' bobs Derrik
Nakatanenga,
Entreq

My list is endless and my wallet empty!

Sorry, but I disagree slightly...

Any engine tuning work should be done as whole package - I've no idea if another tuners parts would work with my calibration. Using intercoolers as an example, there are huge differences in volume, efficientness etc and I tune to suit the characteristics of my cooler. Whilst some people claim there intercoolers are the best available it doesn't necessary mean they are and especially if I work them in a different way.

The problem comes if you tuned a vehicle with other peoples parts - who is to blame if the performance doesn't meet expectations? The person selling the intercooler would claim its the tuning, and the person doing the tuning would blame the intercooler supplier - the same thing also applies to exhausts, air intakes, turbo's etc.

Lighting for example wouldn't be so bad as your not going to get direct interactions if you fit two brands of spotlight.

If you start chopping and changing engine tuning parts, you will always end up with a compromise, rather than an optimum solution.

Ian IRB
The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers.

www.IRBdevelopments.com

www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments

www.integrated316.com

www.facebook.com/integrated316

11th Aug 2013 3:50pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8578

Errrr Brendan is me

Our website is www.4x4overlander.com

Derrick is LRS or www.lrsshop.co.uk

Nakatanenga is Peter his website is www.nakatanenga-tours.de

Entreq is Olaf at www.entreq.de

We stock a reasonable range of both Entreq and Nakatanenga gear.

Any questions ask away.

Brendan

11th Aug 2013 3:53pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

with all that extra power, have you included a possible brake upgrade in your budget ?

11th Aug 2013 4:06pm

Discharge

Member Since: 10 Aug 2013
Location: Dubai
Posts: 54

Porny wrote:
K9F wrote:
Spread the purchases about, keeps everybody happy.....

Remap BAS
Intercooler and pipes Alive
BIts 'n' bobs Brendan
More bits 'n' bobs Derrik
Nakatanenga,
Entreq

My list is endless and my wallet empty!

Sorry, but I disagree slightly...

Any engine tuning work should be done as whole package - I've no idea if another tuners parts would work with my calibration. Using intercoolers as an example, there are huge differences in volume, efficientness etc and I tune to suit the characteristics of my cooler. Whilst some people claim there intercoolers are the best available it doesn't necessary mean they are and especially if I work them in a different way.

The problem comes if you tuned a vehicle with other peoples parts - who is to blame if the performance doesn't meet expectations? The person selling the intercooler would claim its the tuning, and the person doing the tuning would blame the intercooler supplier - the same thing also applies to exhausts, air intakes, turbo's etc.

Lighting for example wouldn't be so bad as your not going to get direct interactions if you fit two brands of spotlight.

If you start chopping and changing engine tuning parts, you will always end up with a compromise, rather than an optimum solution.

Ian

I've sent you a PM concerning your IRB550 package, please respond when able. 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up

11th Aug 2013 4:10pm

Discharge

Member Since: 10 Aug 2013
Location: Dubai
Posts: 54

leeds wrote:
Errrr Brendan is me

Our website is www.4x4overlander.com

Derrick is LRS or www.lrsshop.co.uk

Nakatanenga is Peter his website is www.nakatanenga-tours.de

Entreq is Olaf at www.entreq.de

We stock a reasonable range of both Entreq and Nakatanenga gear.

Any questions ask away.

Brendan

Thanks for the links Brendan, i'll digest when able! 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up

11th Aug 2013 4:11pm

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