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WarPig



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Heated windscreen caused my breakdown?
Mines a 1996 300tdi. Im wondering if the faulty wiring on my heated windscreen switch was the cause of my recent problems? Whilst driving yesterday I switched my heated windscreen on, which is when the problems started...

Suddenly my wipers went really slow, then when I stopped at traffic lights the engine cut out and noticed a burning electrical smell. Tried starting it again but just got a horrible grating sound. Tried again and it started. But I then had massive loss of power and couldn't get above 30mph. A few minutes later full power returned but when lifting off gas, the revs remain on full. The loss of power lasted about 10 mins which is about how long my heated windscreen timer stays on for.

Got home and removed heated front windscreen switch and found +ve wire had come off and was touching the other wires.

Even today the revs are still staying on sometimes. So could this faulty switch wiring have caused all these symptoms?
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LandRoverAnorak



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Almost certainly - it'd be too much of a coincidence otherwise. Is your 300tdi one of the later ones with an ECU? Darren

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WarPig



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I think so judging by these leads...


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I didn't know any of the 300 TDi's had ECU's, you live and you learn !

What does the ECU do ?

Edit: Purely out of interest I've Googled 300TDi ECU and I can't find anything to suggest they had one - are you sure LA ?


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Pretty sure that plug would have gone to the EGR thingummy
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Later 300tdi's did have an electronically controlled fuel pump. I believe it was part of measures to give auto Discoverys a bit more oomph, as it enabled a degree of 'tuning'. All pretty crude by todays' standards, but if that's been zapped then it may explain the problems that Steve now has. Darren

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Tiger



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Only on Discos not Defender and I think only on Auto discos but not sure

The wire under the seat/cubby is for the EGR ECU.

Defender had mechanical pumps.

Seems unlikely your heated window could interfere with the Engine unless the wire that was off was flicking against the stop solenoid and shorting that?
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WarPig



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This is the wire that had come loose and was touching the other wires


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I drove it to the garage today, but whilst everything seemed back to normal, the engine continued to rev high when lifting foot off accelerator pedal.


And heres my fuel pump....


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Tiger



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Have you got an immobiliser?

Could have been ground and knacking stuff, grounding it would explain a smell Shocked
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I do have an immobiliser that I had fitted.
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Re: Heated windscreen caused my breakdown?
WarPig wrote:
.... noticed a burning electrical smell. ...



Is that +ve wire on a fused circuit?
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WarPig



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It is fused but strangely the fuse looks fine to be honest.
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Tiger



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In theory grounding that wire shouldn't do anything to your engine. It's mechanical (and a bit ace Smile )

In reality, it may have done a few odd things, the only ones I can think of are an immobiliser and the stop solenoid.

Fix it back in to it's multi-plug, solder it and tape it.

If it never happens again then you've fixed it. Very Happy

If it happens again you've ruled out the heated window as the cause. Either way you're in a better place.
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Tiger



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Probably worth getting a new lift pump and carrying it and the tools to change it. Confused
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WarPig



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Update- the garage have diagnosed a kinked accelerator cable which has been replaced. Thos would explain tbe revs sticking on.

Quite bizarre how this problem presented itself at the same time as the windscreen switch. I'm scratching my head, but as long as its repaired I'm happy.

So I'm assuming the faulty switch caused the wipers to slow down, not sure why the engine cut out and wouldn't restart, but the kinked cable would explain the revs.
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