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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6266   
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just wondering (well might have an alteramotive)....
had a 'new' gearbox fitted and wondered how you can determine if its new or reconditioned? just so happens that 2nd gear isn't the easiest to select? hmm. its still running far better than it has ever done before (however I've still got reservations about it all).  |
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20th Feb 2013 6:21pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240  
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With the greatest respect, have you ever considered a nice reliable Toyota? Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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20th Feb 2013 6:37pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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This is never going to end is it
 Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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20th Feb 2013 6:45pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6266
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no.
if i was gonna buy a toyota might just want to buy a honda any one of several other characterless vehicles. just cos the defender is bolted together by what would sometimes seem like careless individuals there's no good reason that I can see why any of it should be unreliable - certainly not for the first couple of years. as with most of us on here we've bought it cos its capable of performing a certain task or cos of its construction methods it can be tinkered with (I fall into the later mostly). so far as I'm concerned I just expect the bits its made up of to work (as I would with any other new vehicle) - I don't expect it to be the comfiest, smoothest, quietest or most ergonomically designed vehicle......if that was what I expected I'd probably be looking to replace it for a Toyota 
- if it is a recon box should I be concerned and would I have a cause for complaint (obviously I bought a new vehicle and expect it to have new parts?)? |
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20th Feb 2013 6:46pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6266
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mog
I 'think' its all sorted and hopefully with time 2nd gear will sort itself out but IF it doesn't I'd like to know whether they've stuffed a recon box or a new one. |
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20th Feb 2013 6:52pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Possibly they even stuffed a reconned recon box
 You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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20th Feb 2013 6:57pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6266
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probably ! ah well time will tell I guess |
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20th Feb 2013 7:13pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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I have a feeling that I read somewhere that dealer supplied replacement boxes were manufacturers rebuilds?
Cue more sleepless nights for Mr C  Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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20th Feb 2013 7:20pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240
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There's no reason to be concerned. Even if it is a recon box (which I very much doubt) then the whole point of reconditioning is to return whatever it is to factory specification. If done by a conscientious specialist then it may be even better than factory. Of course, if done badly then it could be worse but I can't see how using 2nd rate reconditioned parts would be in their interest, particularly as I gather they've extended their warranty. As for having cause for complaint, if it were a recon 'box and it failed then undoubtedly yes. However, if it's working exactly as specified then I sincerely doubt it. As an aside, reconditioned major components are nothing new in the auto industry. For some years it's only been possible to buy recon DII steering boxes, for example, and many years ago some manufacturers provided 'gold seal' engines, which were essentially factory reconditioned. Your new 'box probably just needs some time to bed in - it is new after all - but you need to give it time and miles to do so. Also, have you driven any other Puma's? I haven't done so myself, but it's entirely possible that yours is completely normal. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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20th Feb 2013 7:27pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6266
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mog
there's gonna be sleepless night for sure 
regardless of the g.box as I'm worrying how I'm gonna get a cab heater installed
LRA as you say probably just need to give it time......I'd very much like to drive a similar car - and would hopefully confirm my car is indeed now as it should be (I hope). |
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20th Feb 2013 7:33pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Stay cool, change gears with respect for the mechanism, meaning nice and slow, without putting any pressure on the gearstick to do things faster than it wants. That is how I drive all the time, and works very well. You are not driving a GTI eurobox you know
You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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20th Feb 2013 7:53pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247  
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I've probably driven a dozen Pumas so far and none of them have had a smooth change into second.
I did find the problem eventually after getting the TD5 - my driving style
Going into second on the TD5 is notchy to say the least. If I short shift into second and make sure the revs drop the change is nice and smooth. I tried the same on the 110 before I sold it and the change into second was easy. Basically I just use first to get going and get into second as soon as possible. Works for me
Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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20th Feb 2013 7:57pm |
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| d j hutton Member Since: 30 Jul 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 1044
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I got a recon box for my 1989 90 and its been faultless, very smooth and quiet so even if it is recon it should be better than the 'Duff' one.
My old one was shipped up to Brum and bunged in a Puma I believe
Hope it works out ok this time round. Dj 1989 200tdi 90 csw 2011 110 usw Orkney grey Buy British 🇬🇧 Defender Clothing Designs available at http://www.rangesports.com/acatalog/Defender-Stuff.html |
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20th Feb 2013 8:38pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6266
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thanks everyone.....
especially Dj
as above hopefully all is well - I hope so cos the dynamat is on order (thanks Simon) and hopefully so further toys / upgrades to follow soon |
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20th Feb 2013 8:50pm |
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