GREENI wrote:

Awww come on. That roll bar is sooooo 1980's

Pam W wrote:

Technically of course, if it is a '1985' model then it can't be a '130' anyway. It would be s a 'Land Rover 127'

They were not actually called 130s by Land Rover until after the Defender name came in in late 1990....

22900013A wrote:

Pam W wrote:

Technically of course, if it is a '1985' model then it can't be a '130' anyway. It would be s a 'Land Rover 127'

They were not actually called 130s by Land Rover until after the Defender name came in in late 1990....

To be mega-rivet countery, in 1985 it would have been sold as a "Landrover 110 crew cab (yes 110, thats not a typo)". They only became 127s in 1986 or 87 when the different body options became available (ie, it wasn't just a crew cab) then 130 when the Defender name was introduced.

Er, No. In 1985 there were 3 length varients in wheelbase- the 90, 110 and 127. There may well have been a 110 crewcab but was just that - same as now - a 110 with a crew cab..... Different vehicle to the 127, as the 127 is 127 wheelbase, not 110. Originally, however, the 127 wasn't a standard production model, but an 'extended' 110 chassis, extended in house at Solihull by Land Rover Special Vehicles.

I believe that the '130' is actually still a 127 wheelbase but LR renamed it 130 when the Defender name came in (as I stated before). It is now, of course, a standard production chassis built specifically as a 130 (127) from scratch, rather than being an extended 110 chassis...

MrFlips wrote:

I'd do a number of aspects differently myself, but I have to admit, I like that a lot!

I'm with you on this one. Irrespective of the age/price etc. I 'like the look' too.  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

Pam W wrote:

Er, No. In 1985 there were 3 length varients in wheelbase- the 90, 110 and 127. There may well have been a 110 crewcab but was just that - same as now - a 110 with a crew cab..... Different vehicle to the 127, as the 127 is 127 wheelbase, not 110. Originally, however, the 127 wasn't a standard production model, but an 'extended' 110 chassis, extended in house at Solihull by Land Rover Special Vehicles.

I think Dan is right. Despite the 127 inch wheelbase, when first introduced they were initially marketed as "One Ten Crew Cab". I don't think that name lasted long though and they soon became "Land Rover 127". The only on-line reference I can find is on THIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE, but I remember reading the detail in a book ages ago. Can't remember which one though, of course

As for the vehicle in the OP, I can't see what the fuss is about. Non of us are their target audience. In the States they're very much a niche product and can command high prices. If they've found a way to legally export them to willing buyers then good luck to them - export revenue is good for the economy  Darren

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LandRoverAnorak wrote:

I think Dan is right. Despite the 127 inch wheelbase, when first introduced they were initially marketed as "One Ten Crew Cab". I don't think that name lasted long though and they soon became "Land Rover 127". The only on-line reference I can find is on THIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE, but I remember reading the detail in a book ages ago. Can't remember which one though, of course

As for the vehicle in the OP, I can't see what the fuss is about. Non of us are their target audience. In the States they're very much a niche product and can command high prices. If they've found a way to legally export them to willing buyers then good luck to them - export revenue is good for the economy

Point taken, however, the early 127s were not 'marketed' as 110s as they were Special Vehicles builds and therefore built to order, rather than sold through the marketing and dealer network. The confusion comes as they had to be registered as 110s on their log books.

So in my opinion this 'history' of 127s from the 1985 year means that the OP Black monstrosity (!) is every MORE dodgy to be 'marketed' by this dealer as a 130. The chassis should be an extended 110 one, and the log book should probably also say 110!

It is horrid and if anyone is daft enough to pay then

LandRoverAnorak wrote:

Pam W wrote:

Er, No. In 1985 there were 3 length varients in wheelbase- the 90, 110 and 127. There may well have been a 110 crewcab but was just that - same as now - a 110 with a crew cab..... Different vehicle to the 127, as the 127 is 127 wheelbase, not 110. Originally, however, the 127 wasn't a standard production model, but an 'extended' 110 chassis, extended in house at Solihull by Land Rover Special Vehicles.

I think Dan is right. Despite the 127 inch wheelbase, when first introduced they were initially marketed as "One Ten Crew Cab". I don't think that name lasted long though and they soon became "Land Rover 127". The only on-line reference I can find is on THIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE, but I remember reading the detail in a book ages ago. Can't remember which one though, of course

As for the vehicle in the OP, I can't see what the fuss is about. Non of us are their target audience. In the States they're very much a niche product and can command high prices. If they've found a way to legally export them to willing buyers then good luck to them - export revenue is good for the economy

I don't own an anorak, but I might as well...

My info was derived from James Taylors book LAND ROVER 60 years of the 4x4 workhorse, which gives year by year updates on the various models. Although the vehicle was physically on a 127" wheelbase it was indeed "called" a One Ten Crewcab - Taylor is quite clear on this point. The initial plan was actually to offer the vehicle on a 135" wheelbase but the lack of a long enough off the shelf rear propshaft brought about the length reduction. The vehicles were initially cut and lengthened 110s as Pam said, then they had purpose-made chassis. It was only at this point they got unique VINs and a grille badge, earlier ones had had the silver badge used on the stage 1 V8. These badges were actually plastic, not metal as wikipedia claims. I'm not 100% what the situation is now, I had heard they had gone back to lengthening 110 chassis.
Another bit of info - there were no UK built 110 crew cabs (double cabs as we call them) until the TD5 era.

EDIT - Here is Taylors full write-up.


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