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AlisterC

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: Somerset
Posts: 116

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Indus Silver

Leak - where do I start to look?

Heavy rain here today, all day, and the Defender sat on the drive, didn't move

Went to get something out of it just now, and there is a puddle of water on the drivers side rubber mat. Not a huge amount, but enough that I had to take it out and shake it off.

Felt all around the area, the mats either side, door pillars etc, could not find an obvious place that it was coming in. The puddle was directly under the brake pedal, or looked that way. It could have just ended up there of course and there was no signof wet on the pedal or above it

I know this is a difficult question,but any obvious or known places that I should look?

Still under warranty, should I just book it in and leave it to them to try and fix?

Any thoughts appreciated

22nd Jun 2012 10:52pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Leak - where do I start to look?

Try the search facility.....

I've done it for you...

Here:

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go...4030814037 If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

22nd Jun 2012 11:12pm

AlisterC

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: Somerset
Posts: 116

Thank you K9F

Didn't search and should have, my bad, but really useful information, thank you.

Guess it will be out with the hose tomorrow

22nd Jun 2012 11:22pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

AlisterC wrote:
Guess it will be out with the hose tomorrow

You're welcome and happy hunting!

If you've got a couple of rug rats get them to cower in the footwells with a torch with a prize for who finds the torrent first.
I know how frustrating it can be. Mine was down to the widscreen seal not being sealed correctly and being full of crud, water was then tracking through the crud....

See here:

http://defender2.net/forum/topic9478.html?highlight=windscreen

Especially Fekete's response here:

http://defender2.net/forum/topic2126.html?highlight=seal If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

23rd Jun 2012 12:11am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

the classic leak spots are:

a) where the outside of the door curves outwards, the rubber can get a bit twisted and tired and starts to leak
b) the roof gutter may deteriorate over time - just needs some dumdum filler
c) windscreen rubber around the top - a tiny imperfection lets lots of water in
d) at the end of the roof, at the front, above the doors there's sometimes filler missing

from what you have described, yours sounds like (a)

keep us posted ... don't worry, it's all part of defender ownership and you will be able to fix it

23rd Jun 2012 6:07am

AlisterC

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: Somerset
Posts: 116

Thanks BPman...I appreciate the advice and encouragement!

Won't stop being at the show in Shepton Mallet tomorrow

I hope everyone going has a great time, it looks like the weather has turned a bit kinder today for it .

Alister

23rd Jun 2012 9:37am

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Baltic Blue

Just my experience:
1) when it's heavy rain the water drains down the slant on the roof forwards and into the top of the windscreen rubber, then tracks down to empty behind the dash and down onto my feet. Rolled up paper towels just below the windscreen behind the dash give the clue

Sealing the rubber to the frame worked.
2) When it's heavy rain and I'm driving fast, water gets driven up into the frame-to-bulkhead foam seal, then tracks down...etc. Sealing that fixed it too
Funny thing is, water often pooled up behind the dash so I got a surprise waterfall just after slamming the door

Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

23rd Jun 2012 12:50pm

Nick T

Member Since: 29 May 2011
Location: Bolton
Posts: 203

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Galway Green

My leaks were repaired under warranty-BRILLIANT-pitty it came back with the passenger door unable to open and the gutters full of sealent

23rd Jun 2012 1:13pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2266

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

ZeDefender wrote:
Just my experience:
1) when it's heavy rain the water drains down the slant on the roof forwards and into the top of the windscreen rubber, then tracks down to empty behind the dash and down onto my feet. Rolled up paper towels just below the windscreen behind the dash give the clue Sealing the rubber to the frame worked.
2) When it's heavy rain and I'm driving fast, water gets driven up into the frame-to-bulkhead foam seal, then tracks down...etc. Sealing that fixed it too
Funny thing is, water often pooled up behind the dash so I got a surprise waterfall just after slamming the door

Did you take part of the dash apart? mIne being LHD I see the drops coming between the bulkhead and dashboard. Only stationary........ Puma 110" SW

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23rd Jun 2012 1:54pm

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

MK wrote:
ZeDefender wrote:
Just my experience:
1) when it's heavy rain the water drains down the slant on the roof forwards and into the top of the windscreen rubber, then tracks down to empty behind the dash and down onto my feet. Rolled up paper towels just below the windscreen behind the dash give the clue Sealing the rubber to the frame worked.
2) When it's heavy rain and I'm driving fast, water gets driven up into the frame-to-bulkhead foam seal, then tracks down...etc. Sealing that fixed it too
Funny thing is, water often pooled up behind the dash so I got a surprise waterfall just after slamming the door

Did you take part of the dash apart? mIne being LHD I see the drops coming between the bulkhead and dashboard. Only stationary........

Never dismantled the dash but took off all the panels I could to get a better idea of where the wet bits were. 1) The window rubber problem became obvious due to melting roof snow and seeing water pool up on the ridge below the inside of the windscreen under the rubber seal. 2) I also managed to get my hand up behind center of the the lower dash from the pedal recess. The frame-to-bulkhead foam seal was causing all the soundproofing and padding behind the center of the dash to get wet (but dried out pretty fast as the aircon and heating both seem to heat it up). "Proved the problem" using a hosepipe directly at the foam seal and "proved the cure" using butyl tape. Now LR are going to replace the seals - hope they do a good job

Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

23rd Jun 2012 9:15pm

jayaway44

Member Since: 04 Nov 2011
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 111

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Stornoway Grey

I have just had my 110 back from the dealers after a week (second time in for water ingress). One of the access points they found was water coming along and in through a hairline crack in the gutter. There fix was silicon along the gutter. I am a bit apprehensive about how long this fix will last. My question, is there any other way they could have fixed this problem that will last a lot longer?
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2nd Nov 2012 2:41pm

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

I had the start of a crack in my roof join (no leak) so the dealer here dug out all the mastic, refilled and resprayed the whole roof under warranty

I would have thought a crack in the gutter (isn't that where all the water sits

) would require something similar - perhaps without repainting the whole roof. Never been a fan of silicone, in cars or women.

Sikaflex is pretty good though (K9F will be along now - I think his browser can alert him to the word "Sikaflex" instantly

p.s. incidentally, the same dealer didn't replace the foam seal but just left my butyl all along it. I wonder if even they can't fix it... Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

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2nd Nov 2012 3:04pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19620

ZeDefender wrote:

Never been a fan of silicone, in cars or women.

ZeDefender wrote:

Sikaflex is pretty good though (K9F will be along instantly - I think his browser can alert him to the word "Sikaflex" instantly

I think he actually can. Between you and me I think he's slightly addicted to the fumes..

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2nd Nov 2012 3:08pm

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

2nd Nov 2012 3:11pm

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