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Eduardo



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New defender for 2013
Well, some rumors in LR for 2013...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/...er/239628/

Do you like to do a wish list for this new Defender?

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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Post #10718 11th May 2009 11:07pm
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alantd



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surprisingly, this occupies quite a bit of my thoughts (not sure why - I have no ability to influence what they do - I'm just curious to think what I'd do).

First of all, they need to find a way of assembling the vehicle for 50% of the current cost. That means either half the workforce or - as they seem to agree - doubling output.

The bill of materials for the new Defender would likely be 25 - 35% greater than the current one (more technology is inevitable and more care spent on key components like the half shafts and diffs).

My assumption was that they would base it on the T5 chassis. I also assumed that it would increase in length to 100" and 120" or thereabouts (more passenger space and deeper dashboards etc). I'm guessing wider too. Probably remain coil sprung, live axle.

The area I can't yet resolve is the body. Do you make it hark back to the Defender in looks but construct it from a unibody like the D3 or do you keep with the panel construction of the Defender?

D3 route would give you a stiffer, more crash-legislation-compliant vehicle with greater levels of comfort (noise, harshness, sealing...) but would immediately sever the interchangability of parts and panels with the old Defenders. The panels would likely lead to higher assembly costs but could potentially remain sympathetic to the continuity of the range. I suspect I'd go the former route - you have to move on some time.

Aluminium or steel - hopefully aluminium.

Auto box option (with TR), rear diff lock option. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
+ New Defender 110 First Edition
Post #10725 12th May 2009 5:31am
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AndrewS



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Or why not throw a Defender looking body on to the D3 chassis and running gear.
Post #10732 12th May 2009 7:55am
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solmanic



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AndrewS wrote:
Or why not throw a Defender looking body on to the D3 chassis and running gear.


OK - so how long before someone here tries this in their backyard? Wink 2007 Defender 110
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Post #10789 12th May 2009 11:46pm
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sarahcoles



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solmanic wrote:
AndrewS wrote:
Or why not throw a Defender looking body on to the D3 chassis and running gear.


OK - so how long before someone here tries this in their backyard? Wink

That's a good thought mate. Smile Idea
Post #69606 4th May 2011 6:06am
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Zagato
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It's a two year old thought!!

Think they are talking about 2016 now for a new Defender...........
Post #69607 4th May 2011 6:28am
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T1G UP



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England 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
i think the defender / meccano kits are done.

there is no way they will be bolting the new defender together
Post #69616 4th May 2011 8:28am
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Setok



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I'm a big fan of evolution when it comes to cars and products like this. So I would probably prefer not to see a "radical new take", but to see those things fixed which are a problem. Note that evolution does not mean staying still either. Even big changes, like size of the chassis, can be made if it makes sense.

The way I'd design a new iteration of the Defender would be to base it on military and expedition requirements. I know those are niche markets (although the military is likely a large one), but they kind of define the essence of a Landy. If you go back far enough, the military is where the Landy came from (through Willys Jeeps). I'm not talking about armoured personnel carriers, but a practical and cost-efficient vehicle for jobs behind friendly lines. The qualities of such a vehicle would be:

Easy to maintain. Reliability should be decent, although maintainability probably even more important.

Easy to modify to different uses and equipment.

Good ability to carry loads and do hard work.

Offroad performance more important than on road (which shouldn't be crap, either).

Durability and longevity should be great.

The end result should be affordable.

After you've got all that, do whatever is necessary to meet EU/US requirements. Actually, looking at the list, the current Defender is not half bad.
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AndrewS



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Setok wrote:
whatever is necessary to meet EU/US requirements.


I think that the 'requirements' will shape the vehicle. 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
Post #70183 8th May 2011 5:48pm
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ken



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embrace change we cant stop it Thumbs Up

The dramatic change from D2 to D3 was a good one Thumbs Up
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blue meanie



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I'm still trying to resist the charms of the current one, my resolve is weakening Big Cry Laughing




soon.....


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Post #70192 8th May 2011 7:37pm
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JSG



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blue meanie wrote:
I'm still trying to reseist the charms of the current one, my reslove is weakening Big Cry Laughing




soon.....


Resistance is futile Laughing John

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Post #70249 9th May 2011 1:27pm
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double cab happy



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i just keep telling myself that TATA will take all the tooling for the defender and produce an up to date TDi in india, now that would be one hell of a drive home,

just to make this sound a bit more realistice toyota still produce there no thrills 70 series

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_70_Series

p.s i don't ever want a toyota, i just want TATA to read this.
Post #70252 9th May 2011 1:46pm
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CR



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I think that they will move the defender production to India and keep it going as something
for emerging markets and that type of thing.

time will tell

CR
Post #70255 9th May 2011 2:07pm
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Setok



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Change can be good, but it should be the kind of change that brings improvements. By all means tweak the size of the vehicle, if it makes sense, but don't lose the sense of a simple, functional vehicle which can be maintained easily. I'm sick and tired of overly complex vehicles and fiddly things going wrong, and 'luxury' items that serve little real purpose other than the sale or to serve current fashion. Defenders should be no nonsense, unassuming, tough vehicles that don't hide screw heads just because Victoria Beckham wouldn't like her nail caught on one.[/url]
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