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CFB



Member Since: 13 Sep 2007
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dorsetsmith wrote:
Rolling with laughter well have to see how long it take to brake one proplley Whistle

i serpos it will be ok driveing arond in london

AS present Landrover Defenders nether dead all way live on one way or other Very Happy

we will be all right long time Thumbs Up


Zagato wrote:
Thumbs Up Well said Wink


Good job no-one is marking the spelling/grammar though Whistle Andy
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22900013A



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green
JSG wrote:
CFB wrote:
But come on guys, the Defender is crude, poor to drive, badly built and in desperate need of an update. Times have changed and it just doesn't sell in enough numbers to warrant keeping it, not to mention the total lack of safety kit.

I love the look of the current one but could not live with one as a daily drive (and I've tried all varieties!!)


Depends on the person I guess. I've had Defenders as my daily driver for years and love them.

The Puma is updated in many respects but I'd agree could do with a better heating (distribution) system and a few other bits.

I wouldn't call it crude or poor to drive though.


I agree. I don't even find a IIA uncomfortable, nevermind a Defender. I am at a loss to understand these people that think they are so bad to drive - have they only ever driven a duff one? Badly built? Maybe, but thats due to the workforce/manufacturer being sloppy, not due to anything wrong with the design. As stated elsewhere, they don't sell anything like as well as they should be as Landrover make it hard for people to buy one - zero marketing, limited quotas assigned to dealers etc...they could easily sell a lot more than they are doing without changing the overall design. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"
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CFB



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I've owned and driven 90's, 110's Puma's TD5's atc, sure they are fun to drive but noisy and unrefined, fine for town or country roads and short distances but motorways are really hard work so they just don't cut it as an all-rounder anymore for me.

Jump out of one into a D3 and it's like a different world. Don't get me wrong, I think they are fabulous as 2nd cars, off-roaders, or workhorses. Andy
Post #112107 4th Jan 2012 6:21pm
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dorsetsmith



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If it ain't broke don't fix it. never mind the spelling and grammer, just you try drowning your sorrows in vast quantities of cider and try typing!
Post #112149 4th Jan 2012 7:32pm
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SteveS



Member Since: 05 Oct 2010
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England 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black
Or you could go for one of the Nene Overland "Icon" range showcased on page 50 of LRO february issue - in my view most of the variants are hideous
Post #112172 4th Jan 2012 8:12pm
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RobKeay



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
Everyone goes on about how it won't do it's job. But if you read about it in autocar, lro etc then there's some really good ideas.

Things like strong unstainable (that does appear to be a word) seats. You should see the state of my xs seats their ripped and stained.

Auto box could stop me having to get new clutches.

Also the bigger wheels allow the fitting on brakes. This would be handy when I've got 3.5 tons of logs and someone pulls out in front of me. Think my ifor does most of the braking.

So I am in and so will be my company but only if they fit windscreen wipers that work.
Post #112184 4th Jan 2012 8:28pm
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RobKeay



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
The only thing is how would eon fit 3 ton of kit in.
Post #112189 4th Jan 2012 8:32pm
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Zagato wrote:
Hideous bloody thing, you'd be laughed off the road. They must have used the same designers that did the Kia's.....Styling que from the old Rancho also (remember that!) OK in a cartoon but on the road Rolling with laughter


Victoria Beckham consulted once again? Question You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
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Post #112191 4th Jan 2012 8:33pm
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Setok



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ken wrote:
Setok wrote:
bpman wrote:
It'll probably grow on us Thumbs Up be interested to see the 110 version


Been looking at it for months, and .... nope.

You put a picture of a real 110 beside and it and there's no comparison. The DC100 is a lifestyle vehicle, which completely misses the charm of a Defender: utilitarian, tough, simple.


There ya go Whistle


Click image to enlarge


Exactly. Have something like that standing nearby and I wouldn't even notice the DC100.

I also agree with others here: I find Landies are quite fine as everyday vehicles. Been using a TD5 with overdrive and have never really had a moment where I wished I was in a normal car. And I know the Pumas are even easier. Then again I have driven from Finland to Wales in a Caterham 7, so what do I know.

I think the top fix for a Defender would be to widen it slightly: better onroad stability (+ better on some grades of hills too), more storage capacity and more comfort for all.

Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Mr. Green
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Def-00



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United Arab Emirates 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Fuji White
Did anyone notice the standard recovery points? ... don't see those as standard on defenders Whistle 2012 Fuji White 110 Flattened
Post #112264 4th Jan 2012 10:26pm
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Setok



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RobKeay wrote:
Everyone goes on about how it won't do it's job. But if you read about it in autocar, lro etc then there's some really good ideas.

Things like strong unstainable (that does appear to be a word) seats. You should see the state of my xs seats their ripped and stained.

Auto box could stop me having to get new clutches.

Also the bigger wheels allow the fitting on brakes. This would be handy when I've got 3.5 tons of logs and someone pulls out in front of me. Think my ifor does most of the braking.


These are potentially all great things. Now stick them on a vehicle that actually feels like a Defender and we'll be happy Smile
Post #112328 5th Jan 2012 9:33am
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JSG



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
22900013A wrote:
I agree. I don't even find a IIA uncomfortable, nevermind a Defender. I am at a loss to understand these people that think they are so bad to drive - have they only ever driven a duff one?


I think it is just that some people have gone soft Dan and want a luxury car with a Landrover badge for the image.

I've done many long trips through Europe in a Defender and never had a problem on tracks or motorways - solo or towing. John

http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk

2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS
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Honker



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 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
Now you can match it to your Mini colour scheme too...



At Geneva there is going to be the ultilitarian version ..apparently.
Stu
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Zagato
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The Mini has been said to be an abortion of design, nuff said!
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mikelike



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Its great to see Land Rover listening to all the feed back and making changes like they said they would, They bought out a red one , whoop whoop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post #112775 6th Jan 2012 7:56am
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