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deejayen



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235 x 16 85 options
It's for a standard Td5 90. I've been using General Grabber AT something or other for many years, and I'm not sure what alternatives are available. My first Landy had BF Goodrich AT, but it's been years since then, and they're on new compounds now. I drive on the road most of the time, and all year round, so good grip in snow/ice would give me more confidence.

I've done a quick search, and it looks like the choice is still between the General Grabbers and the BF Goodrich. However, I'm also seeing the Michelin Lattititude Cross, although perhaps they're more of a road tyre, which might not be a bad thing.

Any recommendations?
Post #730144 20th Sep 2018 2:24pm
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Bluest



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The Michelin Latitude would probably be a good choice for your useage. Slightly more road biased. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
Post #730148 20th Sep 2018 2:32pm
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CarMan



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Continental Cross Contacts perhaps - they seem ok to me. At the road end of all the terrain spectrum I'd say and not at all sexy but do what they do just fine? Rob

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Post #730182 20th Sep 2018 6:16pm
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OsloBlue



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Bluest wrote:
The Michelin Latitude would probably be a good choice for your useage. Slightly more road biased.

These apparently came as standard on certain XS trim Pumas.

they're supposed to be pretty efficient too, any idea what biad they are? 50/50 is perfect for me. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
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Post #730187 20th Sep 2018 6:56pm
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apt100



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In the brochure I have, the Latitude Cross was the "lowest" spec tyre, fitted to standard steel wheels. Could be different in different markets.


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I had two sets on a previous FL1. I think they were rated 70/30% road/off-road. Most road biased 4x4 tyres were 80/20 and ATs were typically 50/50. One of the reasons I chose them originally.

edit: they have only recently been available in 235/85 16 size I believe. Previously only in 7.5 for a Defender.
edit 2: just to point out that the FL1 obviously used a different size and is a very different vehicle.


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Post #730191 20th Sep 2018 7:25pm
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Cupboard



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They never fitted the Latitude Cross in 235, only in 7.50.

In 7.50 they (and the previous generation, the XPC) perform very well. I've run rings round cars with far more aggressive tyres with pretty mild 7.50s however they're a relatively unusual size which can cause you issues if you need a replacement in a hurry. I have no idea how the Latitude cross would perform in 235.

7.50 also has the curious advantage of being taller than the 235. Despite the 7.50 being a 31" tyre and the 235 being a 32" tyre when you actually get a tape measure out the 7.50 actually measures just shy of 32" where the 235 is closer to 31. I don't understand that.

All of this is a bit of a moot point if you have alloys because they're too wide to fit anything narrower than a 235 (or wider than a 265).
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custom90



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Mines a lot better now with 255/85/R16, more footprint on the ground than with 235's only a tiny bit less turning circle and lock stops to adjust.
Don't rule out different sizes, but as mentioned there are limits. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧
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Devon-Rover



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For something year round mainly on tarmac then maybe the Yokohama Geolander AT go15 could be worth a look. Tread pattern is reasonable for road and snow that you get up there.

https://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/geolandar-a-t-g015

Slightly more aggressive of course is my favourite the ST maxx but IMHO just on road they might be a little too aggressive but they work lovely in the snow



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deejayen



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Thanks very much. It's tempting to just fit another set of General Grabbers, but the Lattitudes look like they might be a sensible choice. I'll look up some reviews, and also the Yokohamas etc.
Post #730229 20th Sep 2018 9:27pm
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jst



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BFG ATs KO2 or 3 or whatever they now do, last for ages which off sets the high cost. good on tarmac esp in the wet for an AT, good on wet grass.gravel and ok in mud plus benefit of snowflake rating, all this off sets the higher initial cost in my opinion. you can get 70k out of them Cheers

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Post #730309 21st Sep 2018 11:37am
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johnnyd



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Whats the groove depth on those Latitude tyres ? It doesn't look as deep as other AT tyres? Or is it a harder wearing trye?

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johnnyd



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If I hardly ever (never) go off road, wha‘t would be the best 235/85/16 option ? A lot of Motorway travel, and country roads with big oles is mainly it

JD 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW
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donmacn



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jst wrote:
BFG ATs KO2 - good on tarmac esp in the wet for an AT


That's interesting to get that opinion. I'd actually meant to open a post about the new compound on these tyres because it seems to me that it's poorer than it used to be in the wet. It seems to me like it's more prone to aquaplaning and 'drifting' on puddles.

I'd begun to wonder whether there was a slightly harder compound in the new tyres or something. I've not noticed this on good, modern surfaces, but have on poorly drained single-track roads, rutted with puddles.

I was going to post to see if anyone else had similar thoughts, or if it was just my imagination and I needed to 'get over it'!

Edit to say that I'm talking of scenarios where I'll be doing somewhere between 40 and 50/55mph. Donald

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Stacey007



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I have continental cross M & S on mine

Like you 99% on roads.


Seem the best combination of grip and all weather tread for minimal noise on the road. I'm happy with them. Also factory fitted to LR Defenders so must be pretty good Thumbs Up





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Post #730368 21st Sep 2018 6:42pm
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deejayen



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After getting down on my knees, I've realised that the tyres which are currently fitted are actually General Grabber TR (not AT)! It looks like the TR is more road-biased (GG say 70% road, 30% gravel). It makes me more comfortable going for this type of tyre again rather than an A/T tyre.

GG also say the TR has low aquaplaning risk.. I think the tyres are generally fine for the type of driving I do, but I'm always a bit wary of hitting standing puddles at speed in the 90, so I usually drive sensibly when the roads are flooded. On the plus side, the TR tyres are extremely long-lasting. This is my second set on this vehicle - the first set lasted over 100,000 miles, and I think this set has lasted over 120,000 miles (although I did have one front puncture which resulted in me swapping one tyre for the spare, and the remaining front tyre from this set is now at the limit). The two rear tyres have some life in them yet, but I'll replace all four tyres.

Has anyone compared the General Grabber TR to the Michelins?
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