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Plantagenet



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Loire Blue
2.2 automatic conversion

Hi all,

I have a 2013 2.2 110. My wife has issues with her back so I am looking at automatic options and I see that Ashcroft (who are relatively local) do a 4-speed conversion for the 2.2 from the disco2.

I can't afford the 6-speed offering from JE, alas.

Can anybody provide any personal experience with the Ashcroft conversion in the 2.2 and in particular, the effect on economy and the noise at motorway speeds. Has anybody reverted back to manual?

Thanks in advance, James

Post #711057 6th Jun 2018 11:43am
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tookaphotoof



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Netherlands 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

Just out of interest, what does that 6 speed auto conversion cost?

Post #711079 6th Jun 2018 2:35pm
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JOW240725



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

PM Jellybean, he changed the 4-sp Ashcroft to the 6-sp JE Eng so would be able to comment on both. He's local to me in Suffolk so not far away from you, might be able to show you.

Might be worth the extra, from what I read. Try the search function on here as there are several threads on automatic conversions. Thumbs Up James

MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html
MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red

Post #711088 6th Jun 2018 3:36pm
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Bergos



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Portugal 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Keswick Green

tookaphotoof wrote:
Just out of interest, what does that 6 speed auto conversion cost?




http://jemotorworks.co.uk/drivetrain/#drivetrain-defender Bergos

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Post #711909 11th Jun 2018 4:32pm
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Swollock



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

Been thinking about the conversion for my 2.4. Went to Ashcroft as they have a demo vehicle you can drive with the Auto fitted. Did not have much time so only took it round the block, but I was impressed with the little time I drove it, planning to go back and give it a longer try, after all its a lot if you decide afterwards its not what you expected.

Interested in what you decide and others who have already done the conversion have to say. 2008 Defender 110 XS CSW
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G0UBX

Post #711913 11th Jun 2018 4:52pm
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JellyBean



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I've had both conversions in my PUMA 90

The Ashcroft was perfectly ok, but quite noisy (IMO). The JE is what I have now - and its great. Quieter (it's a 6 speed) and to date (nearly 3 years) no problems.

If I had to replace my Defender and was offered a vehicle with the Ashcroft conversion, I would certainly consider it. If I could ever afford the JE in a new vehicle again, I'd go for that. As such, either is good.

Hope that helps?
Mark

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JellyBean



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Oh - James, if you want to chat about either please let me know and I'll forward my number, etc.
Mark

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jrule



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United Kingdom 2000 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Oslo Blue

Trade in wife?

Post #712217 13th Jun 2018 5:32pm
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JellyBean



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Yes. Both!

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big steve



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Montalcino Red

Jelly bean I’d be really keen to see some picture of the box to transfer case adaptor if you ever fancy getting underneath her

I have a brand new box laying in my workshop and would love to throw it behind my 3.2

Regards steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
2008 puma
devon 4x4 springs and ome shocks
2X goodwinch tds
north cage
allisport radiator and bespoke intercooler
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build
ashcroft atb in transfer box
Janspeed system
bas tuning supplier

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ashtrans



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JellyBean wrote:
I've had both conversions in my PUMA 90

The Ashcroft was perfectly ok, but quite noisy (IMO).
Mark


Hi Mark,

I totally accept this criticism, the 'noise' comes from excessive engine revs because of the torque converter being unlocked and slipping.

One of the issues with the Compushift II control system that until recently we have only been able to lock the converter at a set speed, on a stock defender we set it to lock when in 4th at 56 mph.

the problem with this is that if you are on light throttle its OK to lock in 4th at low 40's but the problem is that if you are accelerating hard and it locks at this low speed it drops the engine revs way too far down, hence we leave at at 56mph.

the latest software which I have been testing on our demo car allows 2 things to improve this,

A) we can now 'map' the lockup speed like the shift points, ie low throttle it will lock earlier and on hard throttle later, you can set the lockup speed for every 10% of the throttle position.

B) we can unlock during the gear shifts, so we can now lock in 3rd on light throttle at 30mph, stay locked and shift to 4th without a hard shift,

its hard to appreciate the difference until you are familiar with both setups but for me the car feels lighter and way quicker as you are using the early engine torque which you were revving past with the bonus of lower revving quieter driving.

I would be happy to load this software free of charge for any of our customers that would like to try it or if you are not sure you can come and drive out demo 90 first.

We will soon be moving to the Compushift 3 with bluetooth connectivity and remote access, very useful for diagnostics and updates.

Dave Dave

Post #713522 20th Jun 2018 8:08pm
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ibexman



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As always superb service well done Dave

Post #713524 20th Jun 2018 8:13pm
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JOW240725



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

I don't have an automatic, but that is a great offer, credit to Ashcroft! Thumbs Up Bow down James

MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html
MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red


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Post #713528 20th Jun 2018 8:25pm
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GREENI



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My HP22/24 for my 4.6 came from Dave at Ashcroft, late last year, my experience was outstanding, great communication, quick delivery and a gearbox that transformed the way it drives.

I highly recommend them. @v8_scumbag

Post #713594 21st Jun 2018 7:56am
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tookaphotoof



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Netherlands 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

Thanks Bergos. A bit pricey...

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