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JOW240725

Member Since: 04 May 2015
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 7873

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Ramajama wrote:
If this site sets up a new Defender section, Iâ€™ll gladly participate.

I'll be joining too, so I can at least follow other people enjoying the new Defender. I'm pretty sure it will be a long time until I can afford one!

James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html
MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641
MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557
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15th Mar 2018 11:22am

GREENI

Member Since: 22 Aug 2010
Location: staffs
Posts: 10359

Same ^^

15th Mar 2018 12:02pm

Tdi4

Member Since: 24 Oct 2014
Location: Houten
Posts: 513

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

As stated in an other thread. Jlr has been transformed into a modern car manufacturer. Which has been undoutbly benificial for their bottomline.

But. And for me there is a big but. Allthough they make really great cars nowadays LR has lost their unique product lineup.
And perhaps itâ€™s DNA. Iâ€™am not saying thatâ€™s a bad thing, i think the shareholder is very happy.

But nowadays they are using design language, brand recognition etc etc. Resulting in a line up which is looking very similar. Try to look in the mirror on the motor way. Can you tell the difference between a evoque and a Discovery sport? Or between a range rover and a range rover sport? As I said a modern car manufacturer Just like BMW Audi etc etc

So in my opinion this spells disaster for the people who like the bolted box design with minimal use of plastic and like to tinker on their car. But heaven for people who want a reliable daily driver where you only can change the wheels which resembles vaguely the original defender because it has also mounted the spare wheel on the back. a defender from 1984 pretending to be a puma with a touch of Range Rover

15th Mar 2018 12:35pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

Tdi4 wrote:
But heaven for people who want a reliable daily driver

Surely hope so, but as I follow a bit the D5 forum Iâ€™m not sure Land Rover have their act together when it comes to quality and reliability. See below.
Eric
https://disco5.co.uk/forum/faults-and-fixes-vf10.html You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

15th Mar 2018 1:51pm

Tdi4

Member Since: 24 Oct 2014
Location: Houten
Posts: 513

Sort of, little bit, LR style reliable I meant

a defender from 1984 pretending to be a puma with a touch of Range Rover

15th Mar 2018 2:03pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

If you have the time, and manage to get past the very awkward joke at the beginning, I found this quite illuminating as to where JLR are going...

Matt Jones
Director of Future Technology

15th Mar 2018 2:45pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16870

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

I do find it irritating when supposedly educated people don't know the difference between the words "less" and "fewer".

15th Mar 2018 3:33pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

LOL - you are showing your age there, I think. Wasn't the major takeaway from that clip I was thinking of

16th Mar 2018 7:46am

ibexman

Member Since: 13 Dec 2008
Location: kent
Posts: 2872

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18th Mar 2018 1:41am

foxhound

Member Since: 02 Mar 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 357

1995 Defender 110 300 Tdi SW Alpine White

MaxRPM wrote:
Nephew was in the JLR design studio a couple of weeks ago and saw the new Defender iterations. He wouldn't give me any specific details other than to say I'm going to be disappointed!

i was at a defence exhibition recently and spoke to the LR sales team. they expected a range rover like monocoque hull and nothing that compared to a defender. they expected something flashy, flimsy, expensive that will devalue the traditional LR brand. I also spoke to Penman engineering who had something that looked like a big brother to a 110 sf/desert patrol vehicle, nice and boxy and easy to bolt things on to. the idea of scaling down to a 110 size if LR don't produce something worthwhile hasn't escaped them. And there's hope with Ineos! 110 Defender 300tdi & Penman trailer with ally exped top and roof tent

18th Mar 2018 10:08am

foxhound

Member Since: 02 Mar 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 357

blackwolf wrote:
I do find it irritating when supposedly educated people don't know the difference between the words "less" and "fewer".

well said! 110 Defender 300tdi & Penman trailer with ally exped top and roof tent

18th Mar 2018 10:12am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

[quote="foxhound"]

MaxRPM wrote:
i was at a defence exhibition recently and spoke to the LR sales team. they expected a range rover like monocoque hull and nothing that compared to a defender. they expected something flashy, flimsy, expensive that will devalue the traditional LR brand.

Feck me, they're waving the flag for JLR well then...did they all have P45s in their pockets and serving out the notice period?

Wasn't this lar-dee-dar lot was it?

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foxhound wrote:
I also spoke to Penman engineering who had something that looked like a big brother to a 110 sf/desert patrol vehicle, nice and boxy and easy to bolt things on to. the idea of scaling down to a 110 size if LR don't produce something worthwhile hasn't escaped them.

They have form with LR:

18th Mar 2018 11:49am

foxhound

Member Since: 02 Mar 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 357

the sales team were not convinced that abandoning the defender-type ethos to pursue a range rover type ethos was the right way to go.

here's the penman vehicle at another expo

Click image to enlarge 110 Defender 300tdi & Penman trailer with ally exped top and roof tent

18th Mar 2018 11:52am

Wild Card 90

Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
Location: Gerlingen
Posts: 1060

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver

Late 2018 is as precise as it gets.. JLR have got Velar, E-Pace, RR Coupe and I-Pace into production. There isnÂ´t much else left to do, apart from the new Evoque (which will look just like a mini Velar) and get the new Defender out there.

"The much-awaited premiere is allegedly programmed to take place at Land Roverâ€™s 70th anniversary party late 2018 and the plan is to offer multiple wheelbase configurations, hard and soft tops, along with a pickup truck derivative later in the life cycle. Itâ€™s expected to ride on an aluminum-intensive platform borrowing bits and pieces from the Discovery and Range Rover, so there should be a significant weight loss."

https://www.motor1.com/news/236496/new-defender-eclipse-g-class/

I still see the G-model as a missed opportunity, and expect the Defender to be nearer to the mark. 1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s,
Recaro CS´s, anorak, wellingtons

19th Mar 2018 8:48pm

pom

Member Since: 01 Jun 2010
Location: Worcester
Posts: 1343

i fear this is thie end of the road for me with Landrover.

All the models now look the same basic shape - crap.

What they have done to the poor disco is just criminal.

So whats everyones plan B if what LR offer is a slappers handbag ?

20th Mar 2018 7:17am

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