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MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2664

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

2.4... better not to have a DPF... Sticking with my 2.4... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

22nd Jan 2018 2:11pm

Sockpuppet

Member Since: 17 Sep 2011
Location: Leicester
Posts: 479

Depends where you live. If you live near any major city thinking of banning anything not Euro V from entering then you should look at a 2.2 as the 2.4s are Euro IV

22nd Jan 2018 3:19pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

Reading this thread from the beginning, we always defend what we have clearly.

So let me add to that.

Go for a well taken care of 2.4 (2.401 cc), forget about the 2.2 (2.198 cc).
The 2.4 has a bit more agricultural engine sound which imo suits the Defender better.
It definitely has much more engine braking power with its 17.5 to 1 compression than the 2.2 with its 15.5 to 1 (big difference, I have tried both in identical conditions).
No DPF for the 2.4 means no issues with diesel contaminating the engine oil.
And of course as has been said by some, there is also no replacement for displacement. In fact a difference of not just 200, but 203 cc.

Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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22nd Jan 2018 3:34pm

Swine&Small

Member Since: 20 Mar 2017
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 1223

The DPF is there for a reason, and that is to improve the emissions and take dangerous toxins out of the air that we breathe.
I find that I cannot agree with the sentiment that they are just another nuisance.

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22nd Jan 2018 5:31pm

Blacksheep

Member Since: 10 Dec 2017
Location: Highlands
Posts: 190

I cannot comment upon the difference between the two types, however as the new owner of a 2011 2.4, I can report on my satisfaction, ive driven plenty, but this is my first purchase.

22nd Jan 2018 7:27pm

Sammyboy

Member Since: 28 Feb 2017
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 121

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Sumatra Black

Thanks for all your helpful comments. I am pleased to see that there are no other physical differences (besides CC and the DPF). I will now look for my preferred style (110 USW) in acceptable condition and hopefully the lower rate of road tax. Cheers

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22nd Jan 2018 8:38pm

schuee

Member Since: 16 Jul 2012
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 378

Won't go wrong with a 110 USW, though I am biased

post some pics when you find one

Click image to enlarge MY2011 110 XS USW

22nd Jan 2018 10:49pm

hornet

Member Since: 04 Jan 2010
Location: Western Europe
Posts: 325

Swine&Small wrote:
The DPF is there for a reason, and that is to improve the emissions and take dangerous toxins out of the air that we breathe.
I find that I cannot agree with the sentiment that they are just another nuisance.

In fact you need more Diesel on a 2.2 to maintain the DPF. In addition, it does not hold back the dangerous particles <100µm!
I am sorry to say that the whole discussion is not grounded on scientific evidence. It's window dressing.

But it's off-topic ...

23rd Jan 2018 10:40am

Stacey007

Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3693

When I bought mine,

I narrowed it down to

A lower mileage 2.4 in black or a higher mileage 2.2 in Silver

Black won on looks

I never drove the 2.2 but coming from an Automatic Mercedes with a reasonable sized engine (Merc E350cdi estate) , neither I'm sure could be classed as smooth.

OK so its £500 or so a year to tax, the merc was around £225 but the car as a whole was losing way more than the landy... so it all offsets

LOVE IT

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23rd Jan 2018 10:48am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5765

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

Having owned both (first a 2.2, now the 2.4), I'd say if you want quiet and manners, then the 2.2. But I personally prefer the 2.4, even if a smidge nosier, as it seems to have more obvious grunt/pull/urgency. 2.2 in comparison felt lethargic. Maybe that doesn't matter if you're all about long M-Way miles where I think the quiet of the 2.2 might be better. Didn't have either mapped, but I have heard 2.4 is better when done. Happy with my 2.4l, will be more so when it becomes a V8.

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2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

23rd Jan 2018 12:26pm

hornet

Member Since: 04 Jan 2010
Location: Western Europe
Posts: 325

Stacey007 wrote:
When I bought mine,
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LOVE IT

I like the car and the scenery! What's that red thing on the grill?

24th Jan 2018 9:21am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

hornet, nice idea that QR code

24th Jan 2018 9:27am

hornet

Member Since: 04 Jan 2010
Location: Western Europe
Posts: 325

Thanks, modern way to communicate

24th Jan 2018 2:45pm

lonewolf

Member Since: 23 Oct 2013
Location: North East England
Posts: 206

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Zambezi Silver

Stacey007.......tax is now £535 aaaargh!
Mines a 2010 90 unfortunately not in the lower tax bracket!! Still love it though

9th Feb 2018 5:42pm

zsd-puma

Member Since: 09 Aug 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 2720

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

familymad wrote:
Had both. Tax is cheaper from 2010 so you can get a 2.4 in the lower bracket. .

Quote:
The 2.2 is half the road tax.

Neither is really true. "Commercial Vehicles" are all in the lower tax bracket, so any Puma Van, Pick-up or USW will have the lower road tax of about £260 per year. However from the end of 2010 onwards Land Rover put all the Defenders, even the station wagons with windows and seats all around in the Commercial vehicles class, so they got the lower tax.

10th Feb 2018 1:35am

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