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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547   
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I've got the Nokians, but another common winter tyre is
Cooper Discoverer M&S (currently in stock here https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/coo...6q-799287) |
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30th Dec 2017 2:03pm |
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| nik h Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Herts Posts: 19 
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Thanks for that apt100.
Your page link may be out of date ? but I've just checked out the Cooper Tyre UK site - and you're right. If there are a decent number of replies I'll issue an updated list in due course. All the best, Nik H |
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30th Dec 2017 4:02pm |
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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547
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Links to the results of searches don't always work properly. But they were in stock at the time of posting (they also had 3 other offerings which were already on your list
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30th Dec 2017 4:07pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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3PMSF...
  That was a first for me, had to google the meaning. 
No need to add anything to your list, just buy the Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 as a perfect 3PMSF tire for your Defender.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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30th Dec 2017 5:00pm |
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| nik h Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Herts Posts: 19
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Hi Eric,
I had to learn this myself - but the snowflake symbol does reference the best winter tyres ! The Nokians have the best 'European label' of the list and are also the most expensive. Do you think that, if I'm happy with the extra wear, these could be used as an all year tyre in UK? All the best, Nik H |
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30th Dec 2017 6:24pm |
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| nik h Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Herts Posts: 19
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One more for the list, I think:
Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/85 R16 120/116R 10PR BSW Happy New Year! Nik H |
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1st Jan 2018 10:14pm |
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| nicam Member Since: 14 Dec 2007 Location: deepest Lancashire Posts: 156 
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Have just fitted Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2s onto the 110 in place of the Vredstein Wintrac Extremes that had done sterling service for the past winters but were now past their best. (actually ran them all last summer to "use up" the remaining tread and they did great in the higher temperatures).
Now bring on the bad weather and I`ll see how they perform! Don`t drive faster than your angel can fly! |
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10th Jan 2018 1:36pm |
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| nicam Member Since: 14 Dec 2007 Location: deepest Lancashire Posts: 156
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Well, I didn`t have to wait long - a good couple of inches of wet snow last night and this morning and the tyres were brilliant. Only triggered ABS once when I was finding the level of grip and Traction control did not intervene at all, without diff lock in.
I was a bit concerned about how they would perform in "British" snow - the wet slushy stuff - as they are made in the land of -25 degrees which makes very different snow conditions. But I was more than happy with the result. Don`t drive faster than your angel can fly! |
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17th Jan 2018 1:25pm |
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| TJH1985 Member Since: 22 Aug 2016 Location: Midlands Posts: 238
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Does 3PMSF actually mean anything? I ask because my 'all season' Michelins on a Merc have 3PMSF as well as the Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme's on the FFRR and looking at the pattern they are miles apart?!
I wonder what 'test' they need to pass in order to achieve 3PMSF? |
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17th Jan 2018 2:16pm |
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| nik h Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Herts Posts: 19
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Three Peaks Mountain Snow Flake, I believe.
Basically, pukka snow tyres in Europe although I don't have details of the formal tests. All the best, Nik H |
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17th Jan 2018 2:26pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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It denotes the rubber compound as much as the tread pattern. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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17th Jan 2018 7:45pm |
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| nik h Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Herts Posts: 19
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Hey TJH 1985, Land Rover Anorak and all:
3PMSF test and relevance: "From November 2012, UNECE Regulation 117, to be implemented in the EU through Regulation (EC) 661/2009, requires that for tyres to be used in winter conditions a minimum level of performance on snow (braking and traction) needs to be achieved. If the tyre meets the criteria of an ad hoc performance test, it can be marked with the new three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) symbol is an additional but not mandatory marking. The “M+S” marking, however, will remain as an allowed marking, even if not linked by law to a minimum threshold in winter conditions. In synthesis, 3PMSF marking: is a sufficient condition for the tyre to fall under the definition of winter tyres; shows that the tyre, designed for snowy and icy road conditions, can be fitted even during periods of driving restrictions during the winter season; demonstrates that tyre’s winter performance has been confirmed through a specific test whose aspects have been defined by international institutions." It doesn't answer the question fully, maybe someone can share more. Best Nik H |
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22nd Jan 2018 10:25pm |
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| nicam Member Since: 14 Dec 2007 Location: deepest Lancashire Posts: 156
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From experience I can only say that, in cold poor weather situations, the difference between a proper winter tyre and a summer tyre is remarkable - I find that people who say that their XYZ (M+S) tyres are good in snow have never tried a proper winter tyre - it just takes it to a different (safer) level. Not just in snow, but in cold conditions where a summer tyre is not in its operating window, temperature wise.
The fact that winter tyres are a legal (or insurance) requirement in many countries / areas should tell you something. Don`t drive faster than your angel can fly! |
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23rd Jan 2018 12:15pm |
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| nik h Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Herts Posts: 19
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Hi Nicam,
I've not used proper winter tyres before. I get that they will wear more than all season tyres, but can they be used throughout the year? Anyone ? Many thanks, Nik H |
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23rd Jan 2018 1:30pm |
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