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Procta



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Setok wrote:
Ugly? What drugs are you guys on? That is absolutely wonderful!! Yes, it's designed by a 5 year old. Basically the Defender was too. Clue: it was never designed. Basic box shape, keep things simple and modular, easy to repair. They've done a wonderful job utilising the benefits of an electric engine by rearranging the internal space and you will actually get better offroad ability with electric: two motors, lots of torque, but easy to control at all ranges.

True, the range is slightly limited but I desperately want one. Way more than anything in the Land Rover stable right now, and more than I'm likely to want the Defender replacement.


I think you have been drinking to much earl grey Tea, if you think that's wonderful! If its designed by a 5 year old, then fair play. But its still one ugly looking thing, i am sure i have seen a camper thing on Ebay what looked something like it last year.
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Procta



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lambert.the.farmer wrote:
Don't worry about them, they can't see past their nostalgia for something you can no longer obtain and that in truth should have been abandoned back in the 1970s.


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Everybody that's hung up on the looks or the range are missing the point. It's the first of its' kind and is designed on the same principles as the original Land Rover - practical and functional. Taking advantage of the different packaging requirements for the drive train is brilliant and not something that's been exploited by mainstream EV's so far. Whether it be the Nissan Leaf or the Tesla, they've stuck to pretty conventional layouts.

The technology will move on and the limitations of electric will eventually be solved. It took Land Rover 35 years to produce a truly useable diesel engine! Darren

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Setok



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blackwolf wrote:
Actually, when you look a bit deeper and see the thing in action in the several videos of it on YouTube, you have to admit that it is actually pretty impressive. Pretty, no, pretty impressive, definitely!

Its one major flaw is the very short range and the fact that it takes 7 hours to refuel. In every other respect it actually looks very good.


I agree it would be great if the range was even better, but I wouldn't say 200 miles is terrible either. Especially for a vehicle like that. I've almost never driven more than that in a day and it's more than enough for farmers and the like.

I love the vent system as well: a pipe in three parts that can be turned to direct air. Oh and it has slidey windows too rather than electric!
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It's range would make it utterly useless to me, since I regularly do 500 plus miles in 48 hours. I accept that range will continue to improve as technology advances.

I do have doubts about the whole life green-ness of batteries.
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Worth a watch:-



This vehicle has potential!
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Portal axles, hydraulic suspension, massive load capacity. Very cool. Darren

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Setok



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They released a photo of the long wheelbase version. Pretty sweet.

"The 4 Door will have the same class-leading ground clearance (15.5 in), adjustable wheel travel (+5/-5 in), approach angle (56 degrees) and departure angle (53 degrees), and will have a new breakover angle of 31 degrees. The lengthier vehicle now provides an additional 6 cu. ft. of cargo volume for a total of 101 cu. ft. "



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lambert.the.farmer wrote:
This is missing a trick. Solar panels on the roof. An easy 100kw of space available if not way more. Suddenly the range is expanded making it practical.

100kW - that's a typo right?

DSC-off wrote:
I can't figure out why the winch is hydraulic. The added expense and complication of pumps and hoses can't be practical when an electric winch would do the job.

Probably draws a lot less current and so has less impact on range plus can be used on a longer duty cycle?

blackwolf wrote:
Plus it looks as though it was styled by a 5-year-old!

On the positive side, how many vehicles actually carry over the stunning design when the concept vehicle has been "productionised"? Can't say they have lost much in translation Laughing :


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My back of the envelope calculation on the other electric vehicle thread was about 1.4 kW of current tech solar panel on the roof and bonnet of a Defender 110 sized vehicle. Which is useful but not enough to fully charge it in less than about ten days.
I am not sure why the Bollinger is designed with a bonnet. A cab forward design with motors and batteries under the floor seems to be much easier with the greater freedom of layout electric gives. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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Setok



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Well at least one company doesn't mind showing their wares doing actual offroad stuff.

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Setok



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Oh, just noticed that on their site they have a picture of something that undoubtedly inspired them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BC36z_CtrNt/?taken-by=bollingermotors

Someone asked if the roof comes off:

"Yes, all will come off. The roof is two different panels and the quarter glass and doors all come off."

This to me is the real Defender replacement. I just can't see current LR doing anything in this vein, unfortunately.
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When I originally posted this topic about the Bollinger I was actually making a serious point that at least their was one company out there who were making attempts to build a sparky utility vehicle that the Defender family could relate to and continue their greenlaning pursuits etc.

The present narcissist Land Rover management have no intention of providing forum members of such a vehicle...they have abandoned their roots and the lights of the original Series/Defender will never again be lit by JLR, fortunately Bollinger and indeed Jeep are at least trying their level best to keep the faith.

Perhaps we'll see the resurrection of an all electric Africar? Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains

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Well, if Kryton likes it, that’s good enough for me.

For me though, even the top modelling having just a 200 mile range doesn’t cut it. I’d be willing to sacrifice that front boot thing for more range. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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