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ericvv



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zsd-puma wrote:
you say your's took 10 minutes with a angle grinder


It luckily wasn't mine. Things like that are not commonly happening here (touch wood).

Interesting discussion topic and lots of interesting suggestions, not sure how practical they all are.
My main point is to try to get one manufacturer to design a higher quality, much more resistant pedal lock than what is on offer right now. Price would be accordingly, but as said, I'm pretty sure that there would be plenty of thankful takers of such lock.

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zsd-puma



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That's my point, i don't think you're going to get one much more resistant than one that withstood 10 min with a cutting disc. It would be an exceptionally determined thief to spend 10 min making noise than can be heard for miles and generates a lot of highly visible (at night) sparks, if they're that determined, nothing will stop them.

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ericvv



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A front plate (the accessible one) entirely out of 15 mm high quality hardened steel as opposed to the existing SafeTpedal or Ardcases or other out of about 4 mm steel? I think that would definitely be better.
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Sulisuli



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Weight and ease of fitment need to be the consideration when these are being designed I would imagine, also to increase the quality of the product means an increase in cost and when most people buying a pedal lock think well Im sure they wont attack mine although Im fitting one if they then had a choice to spending X amount or spending double that then Im not sure many would chose the more expensive one, perhaps feeling they could spend the extra monies on other security layers?
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blackwolf



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I suspect that the real problem is that the market for 100-ish standard pedal locks is fairly small, perhaps a few hundred, but the market for a 15mm hardened armour-plate pedal lock that weighs four times as much and probably costs nearer to 1000 is numbered in double figures at the most.

It would still probably be vulnerable to a bump key attack, and certainly vulnerable to car jacking and/or the threat of violence to family. Remember that when cars became harder to steal without keys, the incidence of house break-ins to steal keys rocketed.

All you can reasonably do is make it too noisy and take too long for the theives to steal it without detection, and hope that the one down the road is easier to steal than yours (a bit like escaping from a lion - you don't have to be able to run fast, just faster than someone else)!

A pedal lock is esentially simple, you could find an engineering fabricator to make one just how you want it without too much trouble. Some 1/2" boiler plate, a plasma cutter, and a competent welder, and uou could have one in a day or so. The lock would require thought, and the finished product might be a two-man lift!

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zsd-puma



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and then what do you attach the pedal lock to? The floor? they'll just cut the floor out, so you have to somehow re-enforce the floor.

If it's anything that can be bought off the shelf the thief will just do a recce, to see it's an "Ericvv pedal lock" then come back with a gas axe or a plasma cutter and cut it off with that. Sure it'll probably burn the carpets and insulation, and they'll have to keep putting it out, but what do they care, it's not their car, they just want to take it away and strip it. Or sell it cheap as fire damaged.

I mean try this, 3 o-clock tomorrow morning, go outside and start cutting up a peice of 4mm plate with an angle grinder. See if you manage to last more than a few minutes before one of your neighbours starts shouting abuse at you..... Laughing See if you last 10min before one of them comes and wrestles the grinder from you.

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In a former life I worked for a very large insurer.
Part of my job was to provide security advice.
Now I realise things have moved on considerably, however, the basic principles still apply.
1.) Out of sight to drive by surveillance.
2.) Proper physical security: locked gates,security lights, drive posts,proper locked garages.
3.) Nosey neighbours,changeable routines.
4.) Dog(s)
5.) CCTV

These are all linked to the actual/ type of area your vehicle is parked in. If you live on the "front line" you need as much physical / perimeter security as you can put in.
If you live in Buckingham Palace you probably don't need to lock your vehicle......

All security on the vehicle should only really be considered for when the vehicle is away from home base.

I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of vehicle thefts of Defenders take place at night & from the owners home.
Therefore you need to beef up the home security aspect.
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Build up layers of Superglue on the plate ! when burnt or heated the by-product produced is Cyanide Whistle

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HI.

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Athough slightly off the subject of pedal locks, the Bulldog Wheel lock is another deterrent that can be used when the vehicle is laid up for a few days. Not really suitable for carrying around or daily use though. But every little helps and it is certainly visible 2015 Defender 90"
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ericvv



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^^ Looks a good wheel clamp, that Centaur. Which of their models is this (there seem several)? The Bulldog CA2000C which I see is listed as suitable for 4x4?
Do you have it on 235/85R16 tires? Good fit and happy with it?
Might want to buy one of those myself.
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zsd-puma



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I've got one on my ifor williams trailer. As i remember they're one of the few that are sold secure approved.

It's a bit awkward to fit unless youre on totally flat ground, but it's certainly a heavy bit of kit an i would think be difficult to cut off without damaging the tyre.

It could probably be fitted to the spare when the car was in use.

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Sorry Lads, I only have Centaur Adjustable name on it no model number . It has been in use for years on the Morgan Roadster, the T5 Camper and I was pleased to find out the 90".
My tyres are 235 85 16 and I think any bigger would be a stretch. One of my reasons for staying with the standard sizes was that bigger wheels may look better to some and especially to the person who steals it. So I would rather keep it standard and use another deterrent.
The spare wheel is a good idea if you have muscles, I could not see my wife managing it. Also, you would need a serious wheel carrier with the extra considerable weight.
As I am away a bit I now used a pedal lock, A stoplock and a Bulldog when I am gone or the vehicle is not being used for a few days . At the very least a bit more weight for the thief to lift!
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Tyre Size sheet for Bulldog Wheel Clamps.

Looks like it is the Centaur range for Defenders.

Just measured my 235/85/16 and the rears come out at 31inches with 40psi the fronts about the same with 30psi. Both front and rear width 11ins
So according to the size chart the Centaur 4x4 CA 2500 model would fit





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ericvv



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Well, from the above chart it looks like a standard Defender tire size 235/85R16 needs the Centaur for 4x4's CA2500 then.
Diameter of our 235/85R16 tires is 31.7" or 80.5cm, and width obviously is 235mm. So the above mentioned model is just about large enough for this diameter while the width is about in the middle of the wheel clamp's range.
Seriously considering buying one of these.
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Thanks for that info.
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